PBL Surface cleansing polish?

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Finally, I will have my free time. I am planning on coating my Silver 2004 Camry this upcoming Friday, however a question arise in my head.

Previously on this car, I did apply PBL surface cleansing polish before applying PBL diamond paint sealant. Despite being claim that it could protect up to one year, just after 1 week, all protection seems to be gone, no more water sheeting.

Also, on another car I did apply PBL Surface cleansing polish on my Honda HRV and follow up by PBL Synergy. After 2 weeks the water sheeting seems to be gone.

Both time I apply PBL Surface cleansing polish by hand and they are extremely hard to remove, so I must rub it very hard with microfiber for removing them.

I dont know what happen, whether it's problem from LSP or cleansing polish I am not sure. Is it's possible that I did not propperly removing PBL surface cleansing polish? But I did rub very hard already till I felt I could marring the surface.

Now, I want to know whether leaving some Surface cleansing polish on surface (at the level that you can't see it!!) will effect PBL surface coating or not? Or should I make another IPA wipe to remove it again before coating? If so, should I go straight to IPA wipe without using this Surface cleansing polish?

By the way, for LSP information, PBL Diamond paint sealant become layers after leave it in the bottle for a few weeks, is this the product nature or it's failure product? For Synergy is fresh from Autogeek.
 
You didn't mention what steps you took prior to using the cleansing polish. Just a wash? Clay? Polish? Compound?
 
StangFan25 said:
You didn't mention what steps you took prior to using the cleansing polish. Just a wash? Clay? Polish? Compound?
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Full correction from clay, compound till final polish with Menzerna SF4500
 
What so special for the prior steps to effect this cleansing polish? Doesn't this cleansing polish should remove all previous steps?
 
Valky said:
What so special for the prior steps to effect this cleansing polish? Doesn't this cleansing polish should remove all previous steps?
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Well, you are asking about why your LSP isn't holding up. If the paint was contaminated and dirty, the LSP won't last as long as it should. The cleansing polish is used to prep the clean paint for the LSP. Since you did a paint correction, that's not the case here. Strange you're saying it's only lasting a couple weeks.
 
I used the DP surface cleansing polish prior to doing the PBL Surface Coating last April.
It went on and off very easily. No elbow grease was required, at all.
 
Something is not right. I've had great luck with both products. Is the sheeting gone after a wash or before? If before ,wash it with a clear rinsing soap. If after, what soap/concentration did you use?

Menzerna is known for having lots of polishing oils, so maybe you didn't use the cleansing polish properly. Or maybe you didn't remove the polish completely.
 
You're prolly using way to much polish. Add a spritz of water to your hand pad and make the polish go farther. Should take like 1/2-1oz to do a whole car.
 
@ronkh they are gone just after one wash, I am using CG Glosworkz with is 100% safe for wax.

@swanicyouth I use just one drop at a time, and it will not be able to cover the whole panel, it is sticky and squeezy.

I did through search the forrum and find other guys facing the same situation as I did. I am bot sure that because an average 98 degree (indoor) of my country have a bad effect on product or not. If so, this PBL cleansing polish need a revamp to fix this failure.
 
Valky said:
@ronkh they are gone just after one wash, I am using CG Glosworkz with is 100% safe for wax.

@swanicyouth I use just one drop at a time, and it will not be able to cover the whole panel, it is sticky and squeezy.

I did through search the forrum and find other guys facing the same situation as I did. I am bot sure that because an average 98 degree (indoor) of my country have a bad effect on product or not. If so, this PBL cleansing polish need a revamp to fix this failure.
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I would think that the 98 degree temperature is the culprit. I have found big differences in the way that cleaning polish works depending on temperature. When I tried it in the mid-80s it had much shorter working time and you had to wipe it off really quickly or it would be very hard to get off. It's not my favorite product, though some others have had a different experience with it.

FWIW, when I have trouble buffing it off, I spritz it with Megs 34 Final Inspection and it comes right off. Megs 34 is safe to use during the final cleaning step since it leaves nothing behind.

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