PC 7424...insight needed!

[nick19]

i have never had a problem with using the wool pads...at most i get get all of the major stuff out and then i come back over with a polish pad and polish to complete it...

i can only go by what i was taught...

since being here i have learned not to operate above 1500rpms...

...so whats next...

Be open minded to learning new things, and how to get the same results with a less aggressive setup.

Then again, I believe in saving the CC and wasting 10 minutes of my time.

 

[KJW Detailing]

i am very open to learning new things...this is why i am here...

the PC is a great tool and i would love to get one but lets be realistic...lexus doesn't want me to spend 4-5 hrs on the exterior of a car...2-3 hrs tops...

another thing to consider are the produces we have...its all ardex...dewalt rotary...and pads, well lets think we have wool, yellow med cutting pads, green light cut and polish pads, and blue polish pads...thats it...

this summer i am working for a tech out of his garage and i will be getting my own products so i am trying to learn but i will most likely stick with a rotary so i have to look along those lines for the time being...

 

[nick19]

i am very open to learning new things...this is why i am here...

the PC is a great tool and I would love to get one but lets be realistic...lexus doesn't want me to spend 4-5 hrs on the exterior of a car...2-3 hrs tops...

another thing to consider are the produces we have...its all ardex...dewalt rotary...and pads, well lets think we have wool, yellow med cutting pads, green light cut and polish pads, and blue polish pads...thats it...

this summer i am working for a tech out of his garage and i will be getting my own products so i am trying to learn but i will most likely stick with a rotary so i have to look along those lines for the time being...

I understand working for Lexus, there's nothing you can do about that. Generally, swirls look terrible, but can often be removed pretty easily. This all depends on the vehicle, of course. You'd be surprised how much of the swirls can be removed with a mild polish and a medium aggressive pad.

I am not saying anything negative, in ANY way, I'm just commenting on what I believe, and this is what really seperates me from my competition. It's much more than a "rotary -and-go" deal, instead I work with each individual panel. While each panel may or may not need an agressive polish and/or pad, I am trying to save what CC is left. Yes it takes more time, but I don't work as a volume detailer. And I have all the time in the world.

Because my work is so unique, I charge accordingly, and clients/dealerships pay for it.

It seems you have found what has worked for you; a rotary, and I'm not going to take that away from you.

A PC works wonders for me. And 95% of the time, I will be using it. I'm just saying it is something you should HIGHLY consider purchasing, especially if you're going to be doing this for money.



Take care.. :cheers:




-Nick

 

[sparkie]

I am going to guess buffer swirls and holograms.

Holograms, yep that what I call tails. Maybe I was just using to aggressive pad or to much pressure. I keep on wanting to use it like a pc. I need to take a class.

 

[KJW Detailing]

well thanks nick i am glad individuals with more knowledge and experience can lend me a hand and give me some guidance...

again working for lexus...when i have details they want them finished ASAP...no control over that so the system that is in place works there...

outside of lexus (working at the other shop) i have about 8 hrs to dedicate to each car...so there yea a PC might be the best option! at the same time, i am still learning what type of pads to get and what type of products to get...

 

[nick19]

I think holograms and buffer trails are different. I'm not too sure.

Here's a picture of buffer "holograms" although the picture isn't that great.

(buffer trails AND holograms)

 

[nick19]

well thanks nick i am glad individuals with more knowledge and experience can lend me a hand and give me some guidance...

again working for lexus...when i have details they want them finished ASAP...no control over that so the system that is in place works there...

outside of lexus (working at the other shop) i have about 8 hrs to dedicate to each car...so there yea a PC might be the best option! at the same time, i am still learning what type of pads to get and what type of products to get...

It doesn't happen over night, let me tell you. I may be young, by far the youngest one here, but that doesn't mean I lack experience or knowledge. I love to read, BTW, and that justs makes reading articles, message boards, and "guides" much easier. Then I use what I read on a "test" panel; you can pick a junk hood from the junk yard for free or very few bucks. Rest assure, there will be swirls, scratches and everything in-between.

Get practicing on one of these, and you'll surely grasp things a lot quicker. It allows you to try different combinations of things. Different pads, different polishes, different speeds. Oh boy, did I mention I have three "test" hoods? I LOVE to try out new things and combinations.




-Nick

 

[sneek]

...I'm pretty sure that using a wool pad and a rotary isn't that dangerious. Would that many polish companies reccomend using a wool pad if it would eat right through the paint?

Sometimes defects such as sanding marks need to be removed with a rotary.

Heres some interesting reading.
How much paint are you removing. - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online

Nick I agree with you 100% on using the least aggresive product, but what if a wool pad and a compound is least aggresive product to get the job done? What if you get RIDS on a ceramiclear finish? I think that wool pads have their place in professional detalers arsenal.

 

[sparkie]

I think holograms and buffer trails are different. I'm not too sure.

Here's a picture of buffer "holograms" although the picture isn't that great.

(buffer trails AND holograms)

That's about what I was getting, except mine was in a roll, look like tail all away across.

 

[nick19]

...I'm pretty sure that using a wool pad and a rotary isn't that dangerious. Would that many polish companies reccomend using a wool pad if it would eat right through the paint?

Sometimes defects such as sanding marks need to be removed with a rotary.

Heres some interesting reading.
How much paint are you removing. - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online

Nick I agree with you 100% on using the least aggresive product, but what if a wool pad and a compound is least aggresive product to get the job done? What if you get RIDS on a ceramiclear finish? I think that wool pads have their place in professional detalers arsenal.

I will agree with YOU 100% as well. Wool pads are generally made for body shop applications; see Meg's new "So1o" system.

Back on topic; most of the time an aggressive pad, and polish will remove wet sanding marks. Mike Phillips showed us a little wet-sanding on his rental car when he did he class in Tampa. We removed 2,000 grit wet sanding marks with #84 and the maroon pad on the rotary; 1,500 RPM's.

Then again, there's probably .01% who will be doing wet sanding here, with the exception of Toto (as far I as know). This isn't a topic I know a lot, because I've only wet sanded twice, and never had to use a wool pad. Feel free to point things out.

 

[nick19]

That's about what I was getting, except mine was in a roll, look like tail all away across.

Yep, "trails" of your progress.

 

[KJW Detailing]

and this is why i am looking into the PC for the work i will be doing outside of Lexus...

but i have no idea as far as what type of pads to get and what brand of solutions to get...i'll be working on anything and everything hopefully! haha! i'll also want a few products that work best with my Fiji Pearl Blue Civic too!

 

[Nica]

and this is why i am looking into the PC for the work i will be doing outside of Lexus...

but i have no idea as far as what type of pads to get and what brand of solutions to get...i'll be working on anything and everything hopefully! haha! i'll also want a few products that work best with my Fiji Pearl Blue Civic too!

Finally I can say something that I'm comfortable in hehehehe mind you the wool pads sound interesting and I'm sure as I keep venturing into detailing I'm sure I'll use one to test them out.

Okay now about the type of pads to get. Well you got your reliable Lake Country pads which are good for any kind of detailing but the once that I recommend are the Edge 2K pads. Reason is because it's an easy snap in place and automatically centered and are double sided. The double side and the snap on snap off function is very convenient. I'm quite pleased with the Edge 2K pads. Don't get me wrong the LC pads are good too, I have some and use them once in a wile but I'm enjoying the Edge 2K pads.

As for products I've only got the XMT line up and I'm quite pleased with it. There are lots of products to use I've heard great thing from Optimum too.

Well that's just my input I'm sure you will get more from other members here.

 

[KJW Detailing]

well i was looking through and i am really interested in the The Edge 2000 Porter Cable 7424 Complete Kit ...this seems like a great kit...from that point all i would need are the solutions for cutting and polishing...to me it seems that the XMT stuff is fairly straight forward...at the same time i have been told to look at the optimum brand and that stuff looks graet...i have no idea?

just to know but what type of products are a must have...like how many different bottles of solution am i going to need so that i have enough to do the job?

thanks!

 

[nick19]

well i was looking through and i am really interested in the The Edge 2000 Porter Cable 7424 Complete Kit ...this seems like a great kit...from that point all i would need are the solutions for cutting and polishing...to me it seems that the XMT stuff is fairly straight forward...at the same time i have been told to look at the optimum brand and that stuff looks graet...i have no idea?

just to know but what type of products are a must have...like how many different bottles of solution am i going to need so that i have enough to do the job?

thanks!

IMO, the best kit you can buy. I LOVE my EDGE pads..

 

[BILL]

anyone else have any thoughts on using a rotary buffer out under the sun in the summer? as well as what products to use...

I'd honestly be afraid to use in the sun...shade here in the big apple is easy to attain....

 

[ss-truck]

Nearly all my buffing is done after wet sanding . I started this many years ago when we thought 600 grit paper was slick ,now we all know better . Back then all we had were wool pads and non varible speed machines . yes I burned some paint ,but I learned to be VERY careful and still would get some ;little oops . Now days depending on how far I go with the wet sand I will usually hit it first with a rotary and wool pad lightly and carefully . then outside to be washed thoroughly . Back in and foam on rotary in several stages . Usually after that I use a hand glaze ,wax and done . Black is my favorite color and I love to send a black car out . My show car is black , hauler truck black , trailer , everyday truck and custom truck will probably be black . Since most of my paint detailing is for show I am sure I spend more time than for a detail , I do understand there is a difference . BUt I am interested and listening to all of you about detail polishing . Always something to learn , whether it be easier , better, faster or what ever . I have a Cyclo that I use sometimes on big flat surfaces like hoods, roofs , and some deck lids if they are big enough . Not real happy with it , maybe I am using it wrong

 

[BILL]

Nearly all my buffing is done after wet sanding . I started this many years ago when we thought 600 grit paper was slick ,now we all know better . Back then all we had were wool pads and non varible speed machines . yes I burned some paint ,but I learned to be VERY careful and still would get some ;little oops . Now days depending on how far I go with the wet sand I will usually hit it first with a rotary and wool pad lightly and carefully . then outside to be washed thoroughly . Back in and foam on rotary in several stages . Usually after that I use a hand glaze ,wax and done . Black is my favorite color and I love to send a black car out . My show car is black , hauler truck black , trailer , everyday truck and custom truck will probably be black . Since most of my paint detailing is for show I am sure I spend more time than for a detail , I do understand there is a difference . BUt I am interested and listening to all of you about detail polishing . Always something to learn , whether it be easier , better, faster or what ever . I have a Cyclo that I use sometimes on big flat surfaces like hoods, roofs , and some deck lids if they are big enough . Not real happy with it , maybe I am using it wrong

HEY MIKE,WELCOME , and thanks for your input.......

 

[BILL]

A good rotary is Metabo, I plan on getting this.

Pads - I know Edge had some rotary pads and LC does as well.

Would not want to apply wax or sealant with a rotary, most don't even like doing it with the PC. The pads are so soft they just soak up the wax/sealant. I like to simply apply by hand. You can buff off the wax though with a very soft pad and PC.

LSP = Last Surface Product? something like that, anyways, it's basically your wax or sealant or whatever you use to protect the paint after polishing.

i agree ..i try to apply by hand......i like the bonding

 

[KJW Detailing]

ok so this is what i am thinking...

PC 7424 with the Edge 2000 Kit...

along with that, i am thinking about...

the XMT line (number 1-4)...
the Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax
the Meguiars Gold Class Wash

at this point im not sure what more i need for the exterior?

i know i need tire shine, headlight cleaner, maybe a chrome wax/polish, wheel cleaner, maybe a sealant (with the combo of wax that babies gonna pop), an engine cleaner...

thats prolly everything i need for the exterior...please let me know what you guys think of the products listed above and please let me know of some products i should look into for the other things i listed...if you have any other input please let me know...

Thanks!