Permanon
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rosso abarth
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I love this product,and it is easy to apply. I use a touch up paint sprayer to get the ultimate coverage with a small amount.:dblthumb2:
BobbyG
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Robert8194
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I agree. I use my Optimum sprayer. Since it has a little left over optimum tire or PERL, I shoot the wheel wells first. After that a fine mist all over the car. I also cannot vouch for the durability but I can say that I have used Permanon Platinum that has been mixed up for weeks on glass and it seems to work just as well. Glad AG now has this product.
cgreen1120
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From Permanon advertisement…
Permanon coatings utilize waterborne nano-engineered particles of Silicium (14Si) that form an electrostatic bond with the surface being protected. Permanon is the pioneer of such advanced Silicium (14Si) technology and for that reason Permanon coatings will outlast conventional wax and oil-based surface care protection products. What’s more, Permamon coatings are manufactured strictly as concentrates so instead of paying for products that are already watered down and in a ready-to-use state, you’re getting pure protection that you dilute accordingly for each application.
From Wikipedia
Silicon, a tetravalent metalloid, is a chemical element with the symbol Si and atomic number 14. It is less reactive than its chemical analog carbon, the nonmetal directly above it in the periodic table, but more reactive than germanium, the metalloid directly below it in the table. Controversy about silicon's character dates to its discovery: silicon was first prepared and characterized in pure form in 1823. In 1808, it was given the name silicium (from Latin: silicis, flints), with an -ium word-ending to suggest a metal, a name which the element retains in several non-English languages. However, its final English name, first suggested in 1817, reflects the more physically similar elements carbon and boron.
Silicon is the eighth most common element in the universe by mass, but very rarely occurs as the pure free element in nature. It is most widely distributed in dusts, sands, planetoids, and planets as various forms of silicon dioxide (silica) or silicates. Over 90% of the Earth's crust is composed of silicate minerals, making silicon the second most abundant element in the Earth's crust (about 28% by mass) after oxygen.[7]
Most silicon is used commercially without being separated, and indeed often with little processing of compounds from nature. These include direct industrial building-use of clays, silica sand and stone. Silica is used in ceramic brick. Silicate goes into Portland cement for mortar and stucco, and when combined with silica sand and gravel, to make concrete. Silicates are also in whiteware ceramics such as porcelain, and in traditional quartz-based soda-lime glass. More modern silicon compounds such as silicon carbide form abrasives and high-strength ceramics. Silicon is the basis of the ubiquitous synthetic silicon-based polymers called silicones.
Elemental silicon also has a large impact on the modern world economy. Although most free silicon is used in the steel refining, aluminum-casting, and fine chemical industries (often to make fumed silica), the relatively small portion of very highly purified silicon that is used in semiconductor electronics (< 10%) is perhaps even more critical. Because of wide use of silicon in integrated circuits, the basis of most computers, a great deal of modern technology depends on it.
Silicon is an essential element in biology, although only tiny traces of it appear to be required by animals. [8] However various sea sponges as well as microorganisms like diatoms need silicon in order to have structure. It is much more important to the metabolism of plants, particularly many grasses.
Not sure I'll bite,
Craig
Permanon coatings utilize waterborne nano-engineered particles of Silicium (14Si) that form an electrostatic bond with the surface being protected. Permanon is the pioneer of such advanced Silicium (14Si) technology and for that reason Permanon coatings will outlast conventional wax and oil-based surface care protection products. What’s more, Permamon coatings are manufactured strictly as concentrates so instead of paying for products that are already watered down and in a ready-to-use state, you’re getting pure protection that you dilute accordingly for each application.
From Wikipedia
Silicon, a tetravalent metalloid, is a chemical element with the symbol Si and atomic number 14. It is less reactive than its chemical analog carbon, the nonmetal directly above it in the periodic table, but more reactive than germanium, the metalloid directly below it in the table. Controversy about silicon's character dates to its discovery: silicon was first prepared and characterized in pure form in 1823. In 1808, it was given the name silicium (from Latin: silicis, flints), with an -ium word-ending to suggest a metal, a name which the element retains in several non-English languages. However, its final English name, first suggested in 1817, reflects the more physically similar elements carbon and boron.
Silicon is the eighth most common element in the universe by mass, but very rarely occurs as the pure free element in nature. It is most widely distributed in dusts, sands, planetoids, and planets as various forms of silicon dioxide (silica) or silicates. Over 90% of the Earth's crust is composed of silicate minerals, making silicon the second most abundant element in the Earth's crust (about 28% by mass) after oxygen.[7]
Most silicon is used commercially without being separated, and indeed often with little processing of compounds from nature. These include direct industrial building-use of clays, silica sand and stone. Silica is used in ceramic brick. Silicate goes into Portland cement for mortar and stucco, and when combined with silica sand and gravel, to make concrete. Silicates are also in whiteware ceramics such as porcelain, and in traditional quartz-based soda-lime glass. More modern silicon compounds such as silicon carbide form abrasives and high-strength ceramics. Silicon is the basis of the ubiquitous synthetic silicon-based polymers called silicones.
Elemental silicon also has a large impact on the modern world economy. Although most free silicon is used in the steel refining, aluminum-casting, and fine chemical industries (often to make fumed silica), the relatively small portion of very highly purified silicon that is used in semiconductor electronics (< 10%) is perhaps even more critical. Because of wide use of silicon in integrated circuits, the basis of most computers, a great deal of modern technology depends on it.
Silicon is an essential element in biology, although only tiny traces of it appear to be required by animals. [8] However various sea sponges as well as microorganisms like diatoms need silicon in order to have structure. It is much more important to the metabolism of plants, particularly many grasses.
Not sure I'll bite,
Craig
Rsurfer
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I hope you are cleaning out the Optimum/Perl before mixing in the Permanon.
cgreen1120
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Maybe what they are really trying to say is...
This from Wikipedia
Silicones are inert, synthetic compounds with a variety of forms and uses. Typically heat-resistant and rubber-like, they are used in sealants, adhesives, lubricants, medical applications, cookware, and insulation.
Silicones are polymers that include silicon together with carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and sometimes other elements. Some common forms include silicone oil, silicone grease, silicone rubber, silicone resin and silicone caulk.
This from Wikipedia
Silicones are inert, synthetic compounds with a variety of forms and uses. Typically heat-resistant and rubber-like, they are used in sealants, adhesives, lubricants, medical applications, cookware, and insulation.
Silicones are polymers that include silicon together with carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and sometimes other elements. Some common forms include silicone oil, silicone grease, silicone rubber, silicone resin and silicone caulk.
psnt1ol
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Wow!!!! That's a lot of info. Reading this passage reminded me of School. I hope there won't be a test later. Thanks again.
ihaveacamaro
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I got the normal Permanon and I hated it. Never again. It literally made no difference to the beading or anything that was on my car... and I stripped off all waxes and followed all directions to a T.
swanicyouth
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Seems to much like hocus-pocus to me. Most products that claim to do magic things either don't perform as claimed or perform as claimed for a very long time. While the science and lab testing of such products may be there, there is just too many variables in the real world and environment.
It seems the main allure it is that you can spray it on and do nothing. But what is the point of that if the durability is only a few weeks. As, in order to "spray and walk away" you still would have to do all the polishing and prep. Applying the LSP is the least time consuming step.
ihaveacamaro
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I totally agree with your statements as you said on most products. There are things I would've said that about a few years ago, but now know the truth. One example is opticoat: a few years ago I wouldn't of believed in a permanent wax, but having used it and having great results with it for over 6 months with no change evident, I'm a believer.
But, I have used Permanon and it did not do anything for me.
Some people have said that they have had great success with it, and the allure in my case was (as you said) that it would've been nice to just spray on a LSP every couple weeks and have a nice protected surface. But yeah, I didn't get any results so for me to believe what some of these people are saying about the protection permanon gives... well, I'd have to see it to believe it.
psnt1ol
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In agreement with both Swani and you.... I ,now, am using it strictly for wheels on my Bimmer. It does seem to keep the brake dust at bay. It makes for fast cleaning at the very least and Yes...... I do re-apply every few weeks. Will I buy it after the bottle is gone? Probably Not. Too expensive as a wheel sealant!!!!!!
swanicyouth
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Instead of that, try OptiCoating your wheels. Take them off the car, clean them once and its done for life. It really makes a difference.
psnt1ol
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Actually, I have been thinking it ( Opti-Coat or CQuarts). Couldn't decide. I am waiting to use all the stuff up first since I am not using it for anything else.
Lowejackson
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I have only tried the normal Permanon, I did like the two cleaners, the shampoo was very slick but could not get on with the sealant it was however very easy to apply
ScottB
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got my bottle this week, and could not wait till this morning to mix up some. First I did the painted rims on the Buick. (love the immediate difference in water tension). I then washed the truck and did the entire truck. Wife asked if I waxed it .... nope, just a quick two minute spray down.
daveinsweethome
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i live in oregon and use permanon a lot. just spray it on through our very wet winters blast dry and i am done. got a killer deal on it when i bought it. agree opti coat is a better solution for wheels. i do a lot of customers with opti coat but love spending time waxing my own cars. zen thing
Crispy
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I use this alot. It is by far the best product for wheels and brake calipers. The high heat resistance means it lasts a lot longer than most other coatings. When applied to wheels it certainly adds nice shine, beading and easier cleanup. When used on painted panels gives a wax like shine and slickness. It is so easy to apply (can't imagine how you would screw it up-wet,spray,wipe up and dry). It even works in colder temperatures. Finally it doesn't stick to rubber so no clean up on the tires after application. Great product.