Personal opinion on Hybrids

The Fuzion hybrid got busted for not having the actual mpg numbers but I'm sure its still good though. How about a Jetta hybrid or Passat diesel, the later can go almost 800 miles w/ stick or about 750 miles with automatic (hwy). The new Jetta is turbo, first hybrid turbo. The Fuzion looks great though, good luck with whatver you chose, great time to buy a car nowadays.

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Big Boi said:
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:iagree:, but something to think about, I test drove the old Fusion Hybrid while waiting for some service work to be done on a company truck. The strangest thing to me is the CVT transmission. I like to feel a car shift, heck I prefer to shift it manually. The sensation of never feeling a shift is strange. It is quite fun getting the little digital tree to grow leaves by driving efficiently, then punch it and get them all to fall off.
Go with the eco boost
 
My wife drives a 2008 Prius. I keep an excel spreadsheet of every tank. She averages over 43 mpg since new. It's now 5 years old and has 100k miles. With scheduled maintenance it's been faultless.

That said, I equate its driving dynamics to those of a 1968 Buick Electra 225. Boring doesn't begin to describe it.

It's a terrific change of pace to my ZR1.

If I had to buy a vehicle for good fuel economy today, it'd be a Jetta TDI Sportwagen.
 
forrest@mothers said:
My wife drives a 2008 Prius. I keep an excel spreadsheet of every tank. She averages over 43 mpg since new. It's now 5 years old and has 100k miles. With scheduled maintenance it's been faultless.

That said, I equate its driving dynamics to those of a 1968 Buick Electra 225. Boring doesn't begin to describe it.

It's a terrific change of pace to my ZR1.

If I had to buy a vehicle for good fuel economy today, it'd be a Jetta TDI Sportwagen.
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That ZR1 has to be a blast. I rode in one at the Barret Jackson event by the Ron Fellow's driving instructors and when he flat footed it down the back straight I swear we went back to the future!!

There is no equal to the VW Jetta TDI sportwagon. Driving dynamics, fuel economy, and the ability to haul a good bit of stuff.

BMW just mentioned that they will bring a 328d here to the states. If I can get a black 328d sportwagon with adaptive suspension I am getting rid of my wifes 11 328i gas burner.
 
smack said:
BMW just mentioned that they will bring a 328d here to the states. If I can get a black 328d sportwagon with adaptive suspension I am getting rid of my wifes 11 328i gas burner.
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Just don't get Jet Black - Softest. Paint. Ever.
 
I don't know if the 2.0 has the same issue as the ecoboost they put in the f150, but I would research it. Water builds up in the intercooler and when you hit the gas the truck will die. This only happens in humid environments, but I live in the Deep South where humidity is prevalent every day.


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I found a shiny obsidian black paint job, that just happened to have a crossover hybrid under it. I polish it often and drive about 25,000 miles a year. We are happy together.

Getting 25-27 mpg, which is secondary to the comfort and paint job.

They are expensive and demanding for maintnence.
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Probably since this is my second one in three years, I have not found that to be the case. Not too concerned about drop off in trade-in value with an estimated battery life of eight years, well beyond when I trade in.
 
My CRZ exceeds the window sticker average of 31/37, last tank was 39.7 mpg with a true mixed driving route. I also have larger tires/wheels on it too, along with a K&N typhoon intake. I drive the car normally and the best I've gotten was 44.3 mpg back in August. The CRZ is a "mild" hybrid which I think means it doesn't move under eletric power on its own but does get a boost from the electric motor.

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I mean't to say "because it doesn't move soley under electric power", sorry.

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If I choose the fusion, I will probably be getting the bigger rims with the 5 star spaced rims, might affect it a bit,but its time I upgraded lol
 
Bill1234 said:
If I choose the fusion, I will probably be getting the bigger rims with the 5 star spaced rims, might affect it a bit,but its time I upgraded lol
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Are their optional rms for the hybrid Fuzion or do you mean aftermarket?

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Klasse Act said:
Are their optional rms for the hybrid Fuzion or do you mean aftermarket?

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Hybrid SE has three wheel options. You can get the SE Hybrid Appearance package for a less Hybridy look. Hybrid Titanium has one option for wheels.

Titanium 2.0 Ecoboost has three wheels options.



Might want to keep the warranty in mind when choosing. Batteries can fail and so can Turbos.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/2013HybridWarranty.pdf

Normal Powertrain Warranty-
(1) Your vehicle’s Powertrain components are covered for five years or
60,000 miles, whichever occurs first. The extended coverage applies to
the Engine: all internal lubricated parts, cylinder block, cylinder heads,
electrical fuel pump, electronic engine control unit, engine mounts,
flywheel, injection pump, manifold (exhaust and intake), manifold bolts,
oil pan, oil pump, seals and gaskets, thermostat, thermostat housing,
timing chain cover, timing chain (gears or belt), turbocharger/
supercharger unit, valve covers, water pump; Transmission: all internal
parts, clutch cover, seals and gaskets, torque converter, transfer case
(including all internal parts), transmission case, transmission
mounts;single-speed gear (for The Focus Electric); Front-Wheel Drive:
axle shafts, bearings (front and rear), center support bearing, drive
shafts, final drive housing (including all internal parts), hubs-automatic
front locking (four-wheel drive), locking rings (four-wheel drive), seals
and gaskets, universal and constant velocity joints; Rear-Wheel Drive:
axle shafts, bearings (front and rear), center support bearing, drive axle
housing (including all internal parts), drive shaft, propeller shafts,
retainers, supports, seals and gaskets, universal and constant velocity
joints.
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Hyrbid-
(4) Your vehicle’s unique hybrid / electric components are covered during
the Hybrid / Electric Unique Component Coverage, which lasts for eight
years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
• The following hybrid parts are covered during this extended coverage
period: high-voltage battery, hybrid continuously variable transmission,
Inverter System Controller (ISC), DC/DC converter, high-voltage
battery connector, battery pack fan assembly, thermistor probe, Hybrid
Battery Pack Sensor Module (HBPSM), Battery Energy Control Module
(BECM), and the PHEV onboard charger.
• The following Focus Electric unique parts are covered during this
extended coverage period: high-voltage battery packs, high voltage
charger, DC/DC convertor, Electric Drive Module Assembly (includes
electric motor and gearbox), trans range and charge cord.
Note: Lithium-Ion Battery Gradual Capacity Loss
The Lithium-ion battery (EV battery) will experience gradual
capacity loss with time and use (similar to all lithium-ion batteries),
which is considered normal wear and tear. Loss of battery capacity
due to or resulting from gradual capacity loss is NOT covered under
the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. See your Owner’s Manual for
important tips on how to maximize the life and capacity of the
Lithium-ion battery.
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Do hybrids really save the environment? They still use gas, and the electricity it uses to charge every night is created by burning coal, another fossil fuel. Seems to just be another step in my opinion. Still has a negative effect and you still have to pay for the electricity.
 
w3bb3r04 said:
Do hybrids really save the environment? They still use gas, and the electricity it uses to charge every night is created by burning coal, another fossil fuel. Seems to just be another step in my opinion. Still has a negative effect and you still have to pay for the electricity.
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I agree 100% Even though I own a hybrid I didn't buy it because it was a hybrid but rather for its looks and fun to drive factor, the mpg's don't hurt either.

I think its funny that last year when the Volt commercials were on the radio they had a lady saying "I don't even know what its like to get gas"......really, cars have been filling up for well over a century now and even those living under a rock know what getting gas is like. Not only that but the Volt has a gas engine and unless you drive short distances and plug it in all the time, you'll need gas at some point. Speaking of electricity, they never talk about that in the ads, you do have to pay to charge the car up which is just like getting fuel, you have to pay one way or the other, its not running on solar power (only assesories IIRC)

In other news Supercars are starting to use electic assisted power and if its there for the taking when braking, I think its a good thing, harness everything.....waste nothing!

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Gotta love the fact that there are still people saying you'll need a battery in 3-4 years.

Taxi companies are buying hybrids, that alone should tell you they make financial sense.

I had a 2nd gen (US) Prius. Fantastic car, superb mileage, no issues at all. Had a friend put nearly 150k on his before he sold it. It was also the most boring car to drive I've ever had.

I have a Jetta Sportwagen TDI as my DD now, not boring but certainly not trouble free. TDIs have quite a few problems that are being swept under the rug.
 
Friend of mine bought a Golf TDI brand new about 2 yrs ago and at 20k found metal shavings in the fuel filter. They didn't do anything about....but he did, sold it and bought a Prius C and has gotten over 58 mpg once but gets better than average mileage, even put rims and tires on it and changed some arms in the front so it handles better, if there's a will there's a way!

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yakky said:
Gotta love the fact that there are still people saying you'll need a battery in 3-4 years.
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Yeah, IIRC Hyundai/Kia are covering the battery under the 10 year powertrain warranty.

EDIT: Oops, I got it wrong, I looked at Hyundai they are covering the hybrid battery for the lifetime of the car to the original owner, if you sell the car subsequent owners are covered under the 10-year/100K mile warranty.
 
My battery is covered for 10 yrs/100K.

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My last 4 tanks have gone from low 39's to upper 39's, very consistant, even with the temps and winds we've had. I also use premium too, except when it gets really, really cold, then I go down to mid-grade.

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