Petroleum distillates in carnauba wax
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+1, particularly these types of ingredients! :iagree:
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From my understanding they are there to make the wax usable. Without them it would be impossible to spread the wax. This is just a guess of course.
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Good one. I'll post it heard for ease of viewing. Hope you don't mind.
From Zymöl / Pelican Parts:
Why Does Zymöl Blend Coconut and Banana Oils With The Carnauba?
"These natural oils are the necessary lubrication for spreading Zymol and serve as a moisture barrier on the paint preventing the paint from drying out and oxidizing. The oils also contribute to depth of shine by providing the fatty esters during the wax cure time.
What Is Montan Oil And Why Is It In The Wax?
Pure Carnauba assumes a rock-like hardness and must be softened before it can be applied. Most competitive waxes use harsh petrochemical solvents to soften the Carnauba, but these solvents also re-enter the paint potentially softening the paint. Montan oil is a natural solvent derived from the sap of the German Coal Black Evergreen tree. The oil is removed from the sap, spun and distilled to make the Carnauba spreadable. Because it is highly spun (very thin) it allows the Carnauba to enter and fill in microscopic scratches on the painted surface yet will not react with the paint itself.
Why Does Zymöl Put An Enzyme In The Wax?
Propolis, derived from the thorax of bees, is the living enzyme culture in Zymol wax. Its function is to assure the Carnauba does not "bond" in the container. Only when oxygen (air) is introduced during application does the enzyme emollient (Zy-mol) actually become "wax " and start bonding to the car surface."
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This is the part that is confusing.When I Goggled Montan oil It showed two different results.
What Is Montan Oil And Why Is It In The Wax?
What Is Montan Oil And Why Is It In The Wax?
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To me:
There's so much misinformation circulating with regards to car care products.
This includes the ambiguous, and confusing use, of the term "petroleum distillates".
I've learned (over the ages) that those who make blanket statements like:
Products containing petroleum distillates are harmful to vehicle finishes (paint, plastics, etc.)...
either have no real knowledge of science and petroleum refining; or is propogating false information
to scare consumers in order to sell their wares. This is unfortunate and reflects, IMHO:
The seamier side of advertising and negative marketing.
Disclaimer:
I'm no Chemist or petroleum refiner (but I play one or the other on TV, on occasions):
But it never seemed to take much effort on my part to learn petroleum/petroleum-distillates "basics".
I. What exactly are Petroleum Distillates?
A.) No reason to be mysterious:
They're products made from crude oil (mix of hydrocarbons and impurities) that have been distilled in a refinery.
Further, and further refining...for further and further purification may follow.
All petroleum distillates are not created equal. There are so many totally different types and sources,
often with completely opposite characteristics and uses. Not all look like a black tar.
B.) Distillates: Sounds almost ominous.
Distilling provides benefits such as removing impurities from crude-oil and other substances....makes them more useful.
The testimonials for using Distilled Water for detailing purposes are glowing, to say the least.
II. What is happening during the Distillation Process(es)
A.) The primary function of an oil refinery is distillation:
The seperation and purification through the high-heating of the crude-oil in huge vessels---Stills.
B.) The lighter components of the crude-oil mix boils off first, and rise to a higher point inside a tower above the still.
The heavier components boil off at higher temperatures and condense back into liquids more quickly.
These products are captured at different levels in the towers .
C.) The lighter, and therefore: more volatile components...are used in gasoline, or solvents.
The next heavier components may be used as diesel fuels. And so on down the line, as it were.
D.) Often any left-over crude-oil is subjected to even more refining where
even more compounds are formed and undergoes further distillation.
III. "Refining" the results of petroleum-distillation
A.) There are three general classes of compounds resulting from this/these process(es):
1. Aromatics: Strong solvents and as a base in manufacturing products such as carburetor cleaners,
paint removers...any product where strong solvency is needed.
2. Naphthenics: For the manufacture of "light" oils, solvents, detergents, "dryers" in paints
3. Paraffinic Hydrocarbon Compounds: These have much less solvency, and are purified further.
They are used in a myriad of consumer products such as:
Lotions and skin creams, laxatives, medicines, automotive waxes and polishes (for painted, vinyl, plastic surfaces).
As you can see:
All of these products started out as petroleum-distillates...
but ended up being as different as night and day.
Why is this so? This is because petroleum distillates can be further purified, re-distilled, reacted and combined with so many other chemicals to produce a wide range of useful products.
IV. What are the benefits of having certain types of petroleum-distillates as part of car-care/appearance products' fomulas?
A.) They are very affordable for use during these products' manufacturing process(es)
B.) They quite easily dissolve waxes and silicones
C.) Acts a medium to allow these products to be spread on a surface.
D.) They "cut-through" oily dirt/light grease
E.) Provides lubrication to surfaces to help prevent scratching.
F.) Special attribute/quality:
The most effective UV-Blockers, if they are to be included in these products formulations, are soluble in petroleum distillates.
The same can't always be said about other "carriers", like water...and oils-of-essences (amyl acetate/pear/cucumber/etc. oils, for example).
-And we all know the important role that UV-blockers play in the protection of surface deterioration!!
V. In summation
A.) There are a large number of products available today that contain petroleum distillates.
That mere fact doesn’t tell the whole story about products' quality.
B.) Product Labeling/MSDS's (REQUIREMENTS?)
1. The Consumer Product Safety Commission requires any products that contains "lighter" petroleum distillates in its formula to be labeled with a warning that it "contains petroleum distillates".
(This warning is provided not so much to help us consumers in their recognition,
but as an alert for the medical providers in understanding the proper treatment that's required, usually for children, that have inadvertantly come into contact with petroleum distillates.)
2. A product's MSDS will, or should, contain a petroleum distillate's CAS #. This information will help
in identifying the type of petroleum distillate(s) that are contained in a product.
C.) I am suspicious of companies and products that rely on negative advertising, rather than selling their product on its own merits.
Therefore, I rely on a manufacturer’s reputation; and on recommendations from other users when judging what product to buy for
the first time; and then by my own experience after I’ve used it for a period of time.
D.) Taking into consideration the three categories of petroleum distillates:
Car-care products that are to be used on plastics, vinyl; and rubber surfaces should be formulated from
very special grades of petroleum distillates that contain little, if any, aromatic and naphthenic compounds/molecules.
In other words: Highly refined paraffinic distillates. Sure they'll cost more.
But it helps me in being assured that the product does not attack the surface or remove important components from these materials.
Instead...they'll clean and lubricate these surfaces...leaving behind their protective waxes and/or silicones.
Hope this helps some.
Bob
There's so much misinformation circulating with regards to car care products.
This includes the ambiguous, and confusing use, of the term "petroleum distillates".
I've learned (over the ages) that those who make blanket statements like:
Products containing petroleum distillates are harmful to vehicle finishes (paint, plastics, etc.)...
either have no real knowledge of science and petroleum refining; or is propogating false information
to scare consumers in order to sell their wares. This is unfortunate and reflects, IMHO:
The seamier side of advertising and negative marketing.
Disclaimer:
I'm no Chemist or petroleum refiner (but I play one or the other on TV, on occasions):
But it never seemed to take much effort on my part to learn petroleum/petroleum-distillates "basics".
I. What exactly are Petroleum Distillates?
A.) No reason to be mysterious:
They're products made from crude oil (mix of hydrocarbons and impurities) that have been distilled in a refinery.
Further, and further refining...for further and further purification may follow.
All petroleum distillates are not created equal. There are so many totally different types and sources,
often with completely opposite characteristics and uses. Not all look like a black tar.
B.) Distillates: Sounds almost ominous.
Distilling provides benefits such as removing impurities from crude-oil and other substances....makes them more useful.
The testimonials for using Distilled Water for detailing purposes are glowing, to say the least.
II. What is happening during the Distillation Process(es)
A.) The primary function of an oil refinery is distillation:
The seperation and purification through the high-heating of the crude-oil in huge vessels---Stills.
B.) The lighter components of the crude-oil mix boils off first, and rise to a higher point inside a tower above the still.
The heavier components boil off at higher temperatures and condense back into liquids more quickly.
These products are captured at different levels in the towers .
C.) The lighter, and therefore: more volatile components...are used in gasoline, or solvents.
The next heavier components may be used as diesel fuels. And so on down the line, as it were.
D.) Often any left-over crude-oil is subjected to even more refining where
even more compounds are formed and undergoes further distillation.
III. "Refining" the results of petroleum-distillation
A.) There are three general classes of compounds resulting from this/these process(es):
1. Aromatics: Strong solvents and as a base in manufacturing products such as carburetor cleaners,
paint removers...any product where strong solvency is needed.
2. Naphthenics: For the manufacture of "light" oils, solvents, detergents, "dryers" in paints
3. Paraffinic Hydrocarbon Compounds: These have much less solvency, and are purified further.
They are used in a myriad of consumer products such as:
Lotions and skin creams, laxatives, medicines, automotive waxes and polishes (for painted, vinyl, plastic surfaces).
As you can see:
All of these products started out as petroleum-distillates...
but ended up being as different as night and day.
Why is this so? This is because petroleum distillates can be further purified, re-distilled, reacted and combined with so many other chemicals to produce a wide range of useful products.
IV. What are the benefits of having certain types of petroleum-distillates as part of car-care/appearance products' fomulas?
A.) They are very affordable for use during these products' manufacturing process(es)
B.) They quite easily dissolve waxes and silicones
C.) Acts a medium to allow these products to be spread on a surface.
D.) They "cut-through" oily dirt/light grease
E.) Provides lubrication to surfaces to help prevent scratching.
F.) Special attribute/quality:
The most effective UV-Blockers, if they are to be included in these products formulations, are soluble in petroleum distillates.
The same can't always be said about other "carriers", like water...and oils-of-essences (amyl acetate/pear/cucumber/etc. oils, for example).
-And we all know the important role that UV-blockers play in the protection of surface deterioration!!
V. In summation
A.) There are a large number of products available today that contain petroleum distillates.
That mere fact doesn’t tell the whole story about products' quality.
B.) Product Labeling/MSDS's (REQUIREMENTS?)
1. The Consumer Product Safety Commission requires any products that contains "lighter" petroleum distillates in its formula to be labeled with a warning that it "contains petroleum distillates".
(This warning is provided not so much to help us consumers in their recognition,
but as an alert for the medical providers in understanding the proper treatment that's required, usually for children, that have inadvertantly come into contact with petroleum distillates.)
2. A product's MSDS will, or should, contain a petroleum distillate's CAS #. This information will help
in identifying the type of petroleum distillate(s) that are contained in a product.
C.) I am suspicious of companies and products that rely on negative advertising, rather than selling their product on its own merits.
Therefore, I rely on a manufacturer’s reputation; and on recommendations from other users when judging what product to buy for
the first time; and then by my own experience after I’ve used it for a period of time.
D.) Taking into consideration the three categories of petroleum distillates:
Car-care products that are to be used on plastics, vinyl; and rubber surfaces should be formulated from
very special grades of petroleum distillates that contain little, if any, aromatic and naphthenic compounds/molecules.
In other words: Highly refined paraffinic distillates. Sure they'll cost more.
But it helps me in being assured that the product does not attack the surface or remove important components from these materials.
Instead...they'll clean and lubricate these surfaces...leaving behind their protective waxes and/or silicones.
Hope this helps some.
Bob
swanicyouth
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Quite impressive Bob!
Kevin Cullen
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Yes, nicely done Bob!
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Paul Mitchell
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Well stated Bob.
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Well done Bob.Since I have been a life long student of food science I look at ingredients for the purpose they play.Baking is done with formulas and savory cooking is an open canvas.So it begs the question on car wax and the ingredients they contain.I realize there are many mitigating factors such as cost and availability.Maybe some manufactures use less expensive ingredients in the form of solvents and fillers to keep costs down both in manufacturing and to the consumer.I know extra virgin coconut oil is one of the latest culinary trends yet expensive and wonder if that will affect the wax production world.
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All negative marketing is really is just another form of marketing...
It's much easier to say something negative about a competitors product than to produce a clearly better product.
Companies do this is various ways from direct negative marketing to enlisting what we call shills to become members of forums and do reviews of said products. Also to post all the negative they can while posting positive comments about the product or products they are supposed to be pushing. This does happen more than most people would believe....
All this in an effort to sell the products as that is the obvious reason behind it all.
So in effect not everything we read on the forums or see in the videos is 100% true so we have to cut through the BS of the internet to see what the real truth is.
It's much easier to say something negative about a competitors product than to produce a clearly better product.
Companies do this is various ways from direct negative marketing to enlisting what we call shills to become members of forums and do reviews of said products. Also to post all the negative they can while posting positive comments about the product or products they are supposed to be pushing. This does happen more than most people would believe....
All this in an effort to sell the products as that is the obvious reason behind it all.
So in effect not everything we read on the forums or see in the videos is 100% true so we have to cut through the BS of the internet to see what the real truth is.