PH balanced vs PH neutral

I guess there is no such thing as ph neutral soap because that would mean they have the same cleaning ability than water?

That is what I think when I read ph neutral, to me ph balanced is something between 6-8, dont know

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gorillapr said:
I guess there is no such thing as ph neutral soap because that would mean they have the same cleaning ability than water?

That is what I think when I read ph neutral, to me ph balanced is something between 6-8, dont know

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IMO it would be nearly impossible to maintain ph neutral once you add water to a perfectly ph neutral car soap [if it actually is to begin with]

Ph balanced is an easier way for them to label a product that they did their best to make as close to ph neutral as possible. As far as car soap having much more cleaning ability than just water? Well in actuality it probably helps alot less than most would think.. Remember that typical car soaps aren’t detergents. Their #1 purpose is to provide lubricity.
 
That’s why you’ll typically see little to no results when using a foam cannon followed by a rinse on a dirty vehicle...
 
I thought the job of the foam cannon is yes to provide lubricity but also loosen the dirt, no necessarily take it off the panel but make it less stubborn so it is even easier clean it w/ the mitt

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I don’t have a foam cannon but I religiously use a foam gun and yes, that is the reason why I use it. The idea of dislodging and flushing. The key for me is to constantly run the foam gun over the paint to form a barrier of lubricity while I whisk with a mitt.

I admit I don’t let the vehicles I wash get too dirty in between washes otherwise this wash process would take very long. Often for me, if the vehicle isn’t too dirty I can get away with just foaming up the car and rinsing. This removes all the dirt for me (because the vehicle is LSPed) and I’m ready to dry.
 
gorillapr said:
I thought the job of the foam cannon is yes to provide lubricity but also loosen the dirt, no necessarily take it off the panel but make it less stubborn so it is even easier clean it w/ the mitt

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I’d say a freshly foamed vehicle is equal to grabbing a fresh mitt from your wash bucket and touching it on the paint.. Having both foamed the vehicle with a foam cannon and also a soapy bucket with mitts would provide maximum lubricity. Would it provide maximum cleaning ability? I’d like to think so, but alot of people argue that it’s the lubricity that matters most.

I happen to love suds, so for me the more the better.

Either ways, agitation is required. As Bill D mentioned, lsp is a big factor.
 
Nice discussion guys...

Normally I rinse my car, then foam it and let it dwell for about 5-7 mins, then rinse and finally finish the foam together with a contact wash, so far that gives me peace of mind but dont know if it is overkill

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No that’s not overkill. To guard against swirls, constantly foam over the paint while whisking with a mitt. Using multiple mitts is highly recommended as well.
 
pH neutral and pH balanced are the same things. It depends on what marketing firm is making the claim. A perfect pH balance is 7 on the pH scale and that would be pure water. Tap water can have a pH range of 6 to 8.5. Hard water is very alkaline and higher on the pH scale. Soft water is acidic and can have a lot of metal ions like lead, zinc and manganese. Hard water can cause problems when washing a vehicle for it makes it difficult to create suds, it doesn't rinse cleanly and it can leave water spots. It can also be harmful to the LSP if mixed with a high pH soap.
 
Bill D said:
No that’s not overkill. To guard against swirls, constantly foam over the paint while whisking with a mitt. Using multiple mitts is highly recommended as well.
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IMO there’s no such thing as overkill... lol.

I use 14 mitts for bucket washing, and it’s not enough more often than you’d think.
For example, I washed my brothers full size truck this past weekend, and it was full on dirty + it’s black so of course you want to be extra careful because of that, and 14 mitts was nowhere near enough to wash without having to stop and rinse my mitts before completion. Man it bugs me when that happens but I can’t fit any more mitts inside the bucket. Lol.

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In a perfect world I’d do bucket washes with 20 mitts in a bucket. I don’t really consider myself to be overly paranoid about instilling swirls, I’d say it’s more about having OCD in regards to proper wash technique.
 
...Oh wait, I thought you said “that’s overkill”

It’s nice to see we both generally agree that there’s no overkill when it comes to this stuff.
 
14 mitts is A-OK with me! Although I simply don’t need *that* many only due to the size of the vehicles I wash. As long as your technique is working for you, keep it up!
 
gorillapr said:
Is it the same, marketing blah blah blah
or are they really mean 2 different thing?
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Focusing on the realm of Detailing:

•pH balanced:
-where the pH levels of chemical solutions
have been adjusted (by Chemists/formulators)
to meet whatever the different pH criteria of
the manufacturer/reseller may be:

{The manufacturer/reseller may want the end
product to wind up being acidic-ly balanced;
basic-ly balanced; neutral-ly balanced; or
somewhere in between on the pH scale.}

This pH adjustment can be accomplished
by many ways and means. (I suppose that
is why Chemists get paid the “big bucks”.)

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•pH neutral:
-where the pH levels of chemical solutions
have been specifically adjusted (in order
to meet the manufacturers’/resellers’ request
for an end product) to wind up being at the
neutral point on the pH scale.

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OK...
•Now’s when the marketing moguls’ take
their turn at selling the pH nomenclature.

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Whaddya think: Clear as mud now?


Bob
 
I think you’re better off using your foam cannon the way I described with a foam gun and ditching the buckets all together
 
Ph balanced is different than neutral.

Ph neutral means a ph of 7.

Ph balanced is a fancy marketing term but a balanced product can be acidic or alkaline

If it says “balanced” on the bottle it definitely isn’t neutral.




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