PH balanced vs PH neutral

[Eldorado2k]

Then the manufacturer would state ph neutral.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I highly doubt any manufacturer would make such a bold claim... I’m no expert, but I wouldn’t doubt if even slight changes that occur during shipping, along with drastic temperature changes and storage shelf life could possibly affect a products original ph level slightly... And a slight change would be all it takes for it to no longer be ph neutral.

It’s too bold of a claim to make... It’d be like a contractor trying to build a house perfectly plum.. There’s no way for modern day humans to be so exact with measurements..

You’ve gotta be from ancient Egypt to build structures that exact.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

There are a Lot of products that state PH neutral on AG on website Gyeon bathe, griots surface wash, Dodo juice Basic of bling, CG glossworks, Griots odor neutralizing leather cleaner, megs D106, BF pro ceramic coating wash....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Eldorado2k]

There are a Lot of products that state PH neutral on AG on website Gyeon bathe, griots surface wash, Dodo juice Basic of bling, CG glossworks, Griots odor neutralizing leather cleaner, megs D106, BF pro ceramic coating wash....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Is there? It’d be interesting to test them.

 

[Eldorado2k]

There are a Lot of products that state PH neutral on AG on website Gyeon bathe, griots surface wash, Dodo juice Basic of bling, CG glossworks, Griots odor neutralizing leather cleaner, megs D106, BF pro ceramic coating wash....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

IMO it would be nearly impossible to maintain ph neutral once you add water to a perfectly ph neutral car soap [if it actually is to begin with]

But there’s holes in nearly each and every 1 of those products when it comes to that claim...

As I stated earlier^

-Gyeon Bathe
-Griots Surface wash
-Dodo Juice Basic of Bling
-CG Glossworks
-BF Pro Ceramic Wash

All of those products are car soaps which will have to be mixed with water, and the moment you fill your bucket with your garden hose it’s no longer ph neutral.

Griots 3-1 leather cleaner says it was “developed using a ph neutral formula”, however it doesn’t say its ph neutral in its completed form. Is that nitpicking? Yes and no, because it could easily be similar to bottled juice that states “made with real fruit juice” but the fine print says “contains 5% real lemon juice”.... Just sayin.

The only product I can’t find a fault in based on the description is the Meguiars D106.

 

[gorillapr]

My opinion is if is really ph neutral then how is going to clean?
If a car shampoo is really ph 7 then is just basically lubricity with no detergents. Any detergent or cleaning agent will make it acid or alkaline, even if is just a bit.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Autogeekonline mobile app

 

[FUNX650]

My opinion is if is really ph neutral
then how is going to clean?

If a car shampoo is really ph 7 then is
just basically lubricity with no detergents.

Any detergent or cleaning agent will make
it acid or alkaline, even if is just a bit.

Please don’t think that a pH neutral cleaning
solution doesn’t have the ability to clean. It
does! Why so, you may ask. Well:

•Car washing products are detergent cleaners.

•Detergents contain surfactants.

•Of all the ingredients in cleaning solutions
(even those solutions that are pH neutral)
-Surfactants/(micelles) are the driving force
in the cleaning process.

•Chemists can make surfactants that work/
clean with great efficacy even in pH neutral
solutions. Called “surfactant matching”.



•BTW/FWIW:
-Many Chemists consider cleaning products
that are within the 6-8 pH range to be neutral.


Bob

 

[Eldorado2k]

Please don’t think that a pH neutral cleaning
solution doesn’t have the ability to clean. It
does! Why so, you may ask. Well:

•Car washing products are detergent cleaners.

•Detergents contain surfactants.

•Of all the ingredients in cleaning solutions
(even those solutions that are pH neutral)
-Surfactants/(micelles) are the driving force
in the cleaning process.

•Chemists can make surfactants that work/
clean with great efficacy even in pH neutral
solutions. Called “surfactant matching”.



•BTW/FWIW:
-Many Chemists consider cleaning products
that are within the 6-8 pH range to be neutral.


Bob

Based on your post, would you tend to agree that products classified as soaps, shampoos, and detergents are pretty much close enough to be considered the same?

I’ve always been of the belief that car soaps/shampoos aren’t anywhere near aggressive enough in regards to cleaning ability to be classified as detergents.

Is there a technical difference? If so could you enlighten us? Thanks.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

But there’s holes in nearly each and every 1 of those products when it comes to that claim...

As I stated earlier^

-Gyeon Bathe
-Griots Surface wash
-Dodo Juice Basic of Bling
-CG Glossworks
-BF Pro Ceramic Wash

All of those products are car soaps which will have to be mixed with water, and the moment you fill your bucket with your garden hose it’s no longer ph neutral.

Griots 3-1 leather cleaner says it was “developed using a ph neutral formula”, however it doesn’t say its ph neutral in its completed form. Is that nitpicking? Yes and no, because it could easily be similar to bottled juice that states “made with real fruit juice” but the fine print says “contains 5% real lemon juice”.... Just sayin.

The only product I can’t find a fault in based on the description is the Meguiars D106.

From what I’ve read of soaps they are designed to be ph neutral mixed at recommended dilution. Adding more product as most do can definitely change that.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[gorillapr]

Please don’t think that a pH neutral cleaning
solution doesn’t have the ability to clean. It
does! Why so, you may ask. Well:

•Car washing products are detergent cleaners.

•Detergents contain surfactants.

•Of all the ingredients in cleaning solutions
(even those solutions that are pH neutral)
-Surfactants/(micelles) are the driving force
in the cleaning process.

•Chemists can make surfactants that work/
clean with great efficacy even in pH neutral
solutions. Called “surfactant matching”.



•BTW/FWIW:
-Many Chemists consider cleaning products
that are within the 6-8 pH range to be neutral.


Bob

Good info man, thanks

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Autogeekonline mobile app

 

[FUNX650]

Based on your post, would you tend to agree
that products classified as soaps, shampoos,
and detergents are pretty much close enough
to be considered the same?

No; I do not tend to agree with this premise.

I’ve always been of the belief that car soaps/
shampoos aren’t anywhere near aggressive
enough in regards to cleaning ability to be
classified as detergents.

Is there a technical difference?
If so could you enlighten us? Thanks.

•First:
-It’s a given that Soap is a cleaner;
but what is Soap/What is Soap made from?

•Secondly:
-Any cleaner that is not a Soap,
is a (synthetic) Detergent.

•Thirdmost:
If you want a more aggressive car-washing
solutions/cleaners...then gradually move up
from those that are 6-8 ph (neutral), to those
that are more Alkaline: from “mildly” Alkaline
(8.5-11pH); to Alkaline (11.5-12.5pH); to, finally,
“highly” Alkaline (12.5-14pH):

You know, the Degreasers’ territory.

But this will probably result in the obligatory
discussions regarding all manners & concerns
of “Waxes being stripped”...



Bob

 

[Eldorado2k]

No; I do not tend to agree with this premise.


•First:
-It’s a given that Soap is a cleaner;
but what is Soap/What is Soap made from?

•Secondly:
-Any cleaner that is not a Soap,
is a (synthetic) Detergent.

•Thirdmost:
If you want a more aggressive car-washing
solutions/cleaners...then gradually move up
from those that are 6-8 ph (neutral), to those
that are more Alkaline: from “mildly” Alkaline
(8.5-11pH); to Alkaline (11.5-12.5pH); to, finally,
“highly” Alkaline (12.5-14pH):

You know, the Degreasers’ territory.



Bob

The reason I asked was because of this following statement that you made.. It seemed to imply that you’re calling typical “car wash” a detergent.

•Car washing products are detergent cleaners.


Bob

 

[FUNX650]

The reason I asked was because of this
following statement that you made..

It seemed to imply that you’re calling
typical “car wash” a detergent.

Well, if the “car wash” isn’t a Soap...then:
the “car wash” is definitely a Detergent.



Bob

 

[57Rambler]

Soaps are made from natural ingredients, such as plant oils (coconut, vegetable, palm, pine) or acids derived from animal fat. Detergents, on the other hand, are synthetic, man-made derivatives. While soap is limited in its applications, detergents can be formulated to include other ingredients for all sorts of cleaning purposes. Perhaps the most common and versatile of these ingredients are surfactants … surface active agents.

Surfactants aid in cleaning because they reduce surface tension and improve water’s ability to spread evenly over it. This creates a more uniform wetness that makes dirt and soil easier to wipe away and remove. Surfactant molecules can also have either a positive or negative charge, with one end attracted to water and the other end attracted to dirt and grease. This helps detergents attach to dirt, break it up and let water wash it away.

Another significant difference between "soap" and "detergent" is that a soap will always leave behind a film unless a clear water rinse is applied. Whereas detergents will usually have additives to aid in free-rinsing.

Finally, a "soap" needs warm water to work but "detergents" can be tailored to work in all temps.


A typical "car wash" product is indeed a detergent.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Soaps are made from natural ingredients, such as plant oils (coconut, vegetable, palm, pine) or acids derived from animal fat. Detergents, on the other hand, are synthetic, man-made derivatives. While soap is limited in its applications, detergents can be formulated to include other ingredients for all sorts of cleaning purposes. Perhaps the most common and versatile of these ingredients are surfactants … surface active agents.

Surfactants aid in cleaning because they reduce surface tension and improve water’s ability to spread evenly over it. This creates a more uniform wetness that makes dirt and soil easier to wipe away and remove. Surfactant molecules can also have either a positive or negative charge, with one end attracted to water and the other end attracted to dirt and grease. This helps detergents attach to dirt, break it up and let water wash it away.

Another significant difference between "soap" and "detergent" is that a soap will always leave behind a film unless a clear water rinse is applied. Whereas detergents will usually have additives to aid in free-rinsing.

Finally, a "soap" needs warm water to work but "detergents" can be tailored to work in all temps.


A typical "car wash" product is indeed a detergent.

Good answer...

I liked everything until the very last statement. I’m sorry but I can’t consider a typical car wash soap/shampoo a detergent. I’ll keep it in the soap category. Just my opinion.

 

[57Rambler]

I liked everything until the very last statement. I’m sorry but I can’t consider a typical car wash soap/shampoo a detergent. I’ll keep it in the soap category. Just my opinion.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a single car wash product that does not contain surfactants (and is therefore a detergent).