Phoenix EOD Hydra

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I had the opportunity to use Phoenix EOD’s new Hydra rinseless wash today….as I have become a big fan of waterless washes and have tried many. My go to has been ONR, and it truly has been a great product. The Hydra diluted 1:128 oz used as a waterless wash really did a great job of removing dirt without leaving streaks or scratches.
I have been using their Titan detailer, Apex soap, and now this Hydra appears to be a quality product. I feel like their new Hydra will be a great addition to my arsenal.
 
It's not as concentrated as the market leaders. It's 1 oz per gallon. The competition is 0.5 oz per gallon.

Aaron went all in on the 4 horseman theme - maybe jon of forensic's will be next, bit of a conundrum lol He has a 2nd version of apex wash already....first time i seen his new site. If it's even new.
 
I'd be shocked if it was better than Duragloss Rinseless on a dollar to dollar basis.
 
I feel like most rinseless will be somewhat the same. Most of these smaller companies are probably getting something standard like Adam’s from B&B.

Not a bad thing as it’s not a bad product but not to many companies are making their own rinseless.

Griots
Mckeees
ONR
P&S

I would even through th PBMG brands as they blend their own so they can tweek between their different brands

Sure Titan and DIY and the rest are just getting similar products that work.


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The SCIENCE behind DIY Detail Rinseless Wash! DIY Detail Podcast #15 - YouTube

Sounds like DIY is another good one. Some formulation talk in this video.

I've yet to use a RW that didn't work well. Been using Feynlab last few times. Cleans exceptionally well. Wets the surface better than ONR. Griot's works similar to ONR. Still love ONR though.

Ech20 is better as a quick high gloss detailer than RW IMO.
 
CleanIT said:
The SCIENCE behind DIY Detail Rinseless Wash! DIY Detail Podcast #15 - YouTube

Sounds like DIY is another good one. Some formulation talk in this video.

I've yet to use a RW that didn't work well. Been using Feynlab last few times. Cleans exceptionally well. Wets the surface better than ONR. Griot's works similar to ONR. Still love ONR though.

Ech20 is better as a quick high gloss detailer than RW IMO.
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I mixed some ECH20 into my Duragloss rinseless as it felt slicker but I wanted some ceramic.
 
One thing I have noticed with Hydra vs. others, is that it evaporates really well, rather than leaving streaks after drying. I don't have to go over the car again to remove the streaks, but of course I tend to overapply most products. I don't feel though it's as slick as Wolfgang Uber though, but have been pleased early on.
 
I like when it evaporates well and doesn't streak. Ech20 is the one RW/WW product that gave me a bit of trouble with streaking. Not always. Had to really cut it down at 1:25.

The biggest difference between Feynlab Pure and all the others is how well Feynlab wets the surface. One of the things they mention is how many RW's are repelled by the surface. Feynlab clings to the surface so well where it looks like there is no protection. It's completely flat. It allows it to encapsulate and chemically break down the surface contaminates better, so they say. It's a pretty noticeable difference compared to all the other rinseless products from what I've seen.
 
CleanIT said:
I like when it evaporates well and doesn't streak. Ech20 is the one RW/WW product that gave me a bit of trouble with streaking. Not always. Had to really cut it down at 1:25.

The biggest difference between Feynlab Pure and all the others is how well Feynlab wets the surface. One of the things they mention is how many RW's are repelled by the surface. Feynlab clings to the surface so well where it looks like there is no protection. It's completely flat. It allows it to encapsulate and chemically break down the surface contaminates better, so they say. It's a pretty noticeable difference compared to all the other rinseless products from what I've seen.
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That's interesting, as this is what I noticed as well with Hydra...it didn't run down the panels like Uber (which is super slick)...but rather clings to the surface. I also had issues with ONR streaking and even though it worked well, I always had to go back over the panels to remove. I will definitely look at Feynlab's product as well. Cheers
 
I'm going to try it as a pre-wash this weekend. Being it clings so well to the surface, I'd expect it to be a good pre-soak too. I'm using my Marolex sprayer now for pre-soaks using Feynlab, OPC and eventually BH AF.
 
CleanIT said:
The SCIENCE behind DIY Detail Rinseless Wash! DIY Detail Podcast #15 - YouTube

Sounds like DIY is another good one. Some formulation talk in this video.

I've yet to use a RW that didn't work well. Been using Feynlab last few times. Cleans exceptionally well. Wets the surface better than ONR. Griot's works similar to ONR. Still love ONR though.

Ech20 is better as a quick high gloss detailer than RW IMO.
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Yeah he touted how amazing zwitterionic is which pulls all dirt to the bottom. Now he’s got an excuse why this DIY doesn’t……


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Most of the Phoenix line is white labeled b&b products found in the Adams line up.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Yeah he touted how amazing zwitterionic is which pulls all dirt to the bottom. Now he’s got an excuse why this DIY doesn’t……


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He stated one somewhere that it is.
 
The Guz said:
He stated one somewhere that it is.
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I know that he said it in the video stuff will sink to bottom but he was trying to explain away the dirt floating and suspended in the rinseless saying it wouldn’t affect the wash do to being encapsulated in emulsifiers which I just don’t believe.


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Coatingsarecrack said:
I know that he said it in the video stuff will sink to bottom but he was trying to explain away the dirt floating and suspended in the rinseless saying it wouldn’t affect the wash do to being encapsulated in emulsifiers which I just don’t believe.


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You may not believe it but the only chemist is the one that designed the product. We all like to play chemist but we are only the end user. Trust the science just like you do with Frothe.
 
The Guz said:
Most of the Phoenix line is white labeled b&b products found in the Adams line up.
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Good to know Mike. The marketing is over the top. Evolve or die...give me a break.

I assume apex is getting his new products through phoenix. It's not my business but that comes with being a youtube influencer
 
The Guz said:
Most of the Phoenix line is white labeled b&b products found in the Adams line up.
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Interesting. I was told he doesn't like B&B lol. He apparently found a chemist that worked in the industry for quite some time.

Also, from their webpage:

"The same mantra has gone into creating our products. With the market as flooded as it is, with everyone saying their product is the best (even though they’re all using the same blenders with the same formulas), it’s not good enough to be the same or just as good (with just a different scent or dye in the color)"
 
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