Pinnacle Ultra Clay over or under Klasse-All-In -One

Darin

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I have read some things that the "ultra clay" won't remove wax from the paint surface but the KAIO will remove everything. I also understand that the KAIO will protect the paint as well (once cured) before the wax is applied. My question is would you recommend;

1) KAIO - Ultra Clay - KAIO- Souveran Paste
2) KAIO - Ultra Clay - Souveran Wax
3) Ultra Clay - KAIO - Souveran Paste
4) Another option
 
You should always clay before compounding/polishing or applying any type of wax or sealant, even a product that contains a chemical cleaner like Klasse AIO.
 
I would go with choice #3.

3) Ultra Clay - KAIO - Souveran Paste
 
i would say #3. Or i know that there are some wash products out there that are for striping old wax. Chemical guys makes one(citrus wash and gloss) works grate. and i know a lot of other people will use just down to strip wax, but i have never used that so i dont know how that is. so you would want to do.

1) CG (CW&G)
2)clay
3) AIO
4) wax
 


I'm not clear as to why one would use a clay bar to remove "bonded" contaminates after the finish has been sealed with a synthetic sealant :confused:





 
I'm not clear as to why one would use a clay bar to remove "bonded" contaminates after the finish has been sealed with a synthetic sealant :confused:

Yes, that is kind of what I was thinking. These "bonded" contaminates do you believe they will stick in the wax or sealant and not into the clear coat?
 
I'm not clear as to why one would use a clay bar to remove "bonded" contaminates after the finish has been sealed with a synthetic sealant :confused:
I'm thinking maybe it is because he is a new member with 11 posts who hasn't learned anymore than that just yet.

Welcome to AG, stick around you will learn a lot. I say option # 3 as well.
 


Yes, that is kind of what I was thinking. These "bonded" contaminates do you believe they will stick in the wax or sealant and not into the clear coat?


I'm not quite sure what you mean by bonded contaminates sticking to wax/sealant...not in the clear cloat. Bonded contaminates are bonded to a vehicles paint finish. Contaminates typically adhere to vehicles that live outdoors for a length of time. These contaminates could be anything from pollen, dust, dirt, sap, paint overspray & a lot of other things I can't think of right now. The contaminates will bond to a vehicles finish over a length of time through cold, moist air, to very hot temps.

Detailing clay was invented by the Japenese about 20 years ago for the purpose of removing paint over spray. A friend turned me on to clay about 10 years ago, & I though he was crazy for using clay on his car until I tried the stuff. Clay is truly amazing, as it works extremely well for what it is intended to do, & that is to remove bonded contaminates.

Clay pulls contaminates away from a vehicles finish, whereas a compound/polish will lightly abrade the paint finish. Claying first makes compounding/polishing easier because a painted surface can have grooves, pits or valleys which are so small, that the human eye cannot see. When contaminates are embedded into these valleys/grooves, it's better to clay the finish first, as the clay pulls the contaminates away, versus using a compound or polish & removing paint that may not be necessary.

A sealant is exactly just that, a sealant. If you don't clay first before you seal the finish, you would essentially be sealing in the contaminates, which is why claying is one of the first steps to cleaning a vehicles finish.




it is because he is a new member with 11 posts who hasn't learned anymore than that just yet.


Roger that :xyxthumbs:





 



How many times did I use the word "contaminate" up above :confused:





:laughing:





 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by bonded contaminates sticking to wax/sealant...not in the clear cloat. Bonded contaminates are bonded to a vehicles paint finish. Contaminates typically adhere to vehicles that live outdoors for a length of time. These contaminates could be anything from pollen, dust, dirt, sap, paint overspray & a lot of other things I can't think of right now. The contaminates will bond to a vehicles finish over a length of time through cold, moist air, to very hot temps.

Detailing clay was invented by the Japenese about 20 years ago for the purpose of removing paint over spray. A friend turned me on to clay about 10 years ago, & I though he was crazy for using clay on his car until I tried the stuff. Clay is truly amazing, as it works extremely well for what it is intended to do, & that is to remove bonded contaminates.

Clay pulls contaminates away from a vehicles finish, whereas a compound/polish will lightly abrade the paint finish. Claying first makes compounding/polishing easier because a painted surface can have grooves, pits or valleys which are so small, that the human eye cannot see. When contaminates are embedded into these valleys/grooves, it's better to clay the finish first, as the clay pulls the contaminates away, versus using a compound or polish & removing paint that may not be necessary.

A sealant is exactly just that, a sealant. If you don't clay first before you seal the finish, you would essentially be sealing in the contaminates, which is why claying is one of the first steps to cleaning a vehicles finish.







Roger that :xyxthumbs:
Fantastic. Thanks for the reply. Last spring I was talking to co-worker who had taken cleaning a vehicle to the next level and had me interested in claying my car. I was reluctant to do this as all I could do was think about how will I get the scratches out once we rubbed clay all over my car. Well as you said above "pulling the contaminates away" I decided to go for it having done exactly nil research. Well I was amazed how well it looked after. And it looked pretty decent before. So, here I am a year later with my own clay (ultra fine), KAIO, some swirl remover, Souveran and ready to get my paint looking better than last year. again, thanks for taking the time to write that up and give me some info. Cheers.
 
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