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Will be doing my first detail ever in a few weeks on my newish truck. After close inspection, most of the truck doesnt have many swirls and scratches. There are areas with light swirls and scratches of course, and a few deeper scratches. In my novice opinion, the paint has a hazy finish to it.

My arsenal of products is soon to be

Meguiars Ultimate Wax
Meguiars Ultimate Polish
Meguiars Ultimate Compound
Meguiars 205
Meguiars 105

Question #1
Can I use M205 as a one stage polish and use the 105/205 combo for my trouble areas? Will I get the same finish?

Question #2
Could someone please at least post a link to one of Mikes many helpful posts that explains the DA pads color coordination (white, yellow,orange,blue,black,gray) and explains what theyre used for. I will be using a GG6 with a 5" backing plate and am looking for 5 1/2 pad choices. I will also accept any recommendations!

Question #3

Using the 105/205 combo, is there another step or two that would be beneficial? Maybe adding a sealant or topping with another wax?

Thanks
 
The Ultimate Compound and Ultimate Polish is the more "beginner" combo than the 105 and 205.
I'm still a beginner but I'd say you'd be fine sticking with just the UC and UP.
They're supposed to be easier to work with.
 
Congrats on taking the next step in car care! You will be amazed at how much better a vehicle can look with the proper tools, technique, products, and time.

Regarding your product selection: M105 and M205 are basically the pro versions of Ultimate Compound & Ultimate Polish. I have never used UC or UP but I have heard people say they are a little more forgiving to work with. I would recommend making the choice to use one or the other. Having both combos is almost like having duplicates of the same product.

#1 Depending on the color or the paint, severity of defects, pad selection, technique, (and a host of other factors) in general the areas you use M105 with look MUCH better than if you only used M205 on the rest of the car. M205 is a finishing polish and really isn't meant for correcting paint defects (although it can level moderate defects on softer paint).


#2 I really like using CCS pads or Hydro-tech pads with a DA polisher.

#3 M105/M205 are designed to compliment one another. Depending on the paint system you are polishing and dozens of other factors it is possible you can perform a full correction with just 2 steps. M205 does not leave any protection so finishing with a wax, sealant, or coating is necessary.

Can't wait for the show and shine! :props:
 
Im a huge fan of Meguiars and especially the Mirror Glaze line. I have seen great results from the products shown in the following pics.

I acquired two very used jetskis a while back, and 105/205 bought the shine back big time (I think I emailed Nick 1000 times, lol). I will be adding more of the Mirror Glaze products to my collection very soon. I heard elsewhere that the consumer lines have added fillers, therefore making them more forgiving.

BTW, the products were applied by hand and removed with a terry bonnet on a Craftsman DA.....
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Big Boi said:
I heard elsewhere that the consumer lines have added fillers, therefore making them more forgiving.
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You heard wrong. The Consumer Line is blended for ease of use by the average person, often time working by hand.

The Professional Line is blended for professional application by professionals, often times people that do this kind of work, 5, 6, and 7 days a week as compared to Joe Consumer who washes and waxes their car a couple times a year.

The Pro line also includes a lot of products formulated for targeted to the professional side of the industry which includes body shops with "fresh paint environments" so many of the products are what are called, "Body Shop Safe". This means using them in a place where fresh paint is sprayed, there are no ingredients in the products that could cause surface adhesion problems. This isn't a concern for Joe Consumer because they are not "painting their car they are washing and waxing their car.


Make sense?


:)
 
LazyGhost said:
Question #1
Can I use M205 as a one stage polish and use the 105/205 combo for my trouble areas? Will I get the same finish?
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As long as you equally level the surface you will have a uniform appearance. Removing defects is all about removing a little paint and leveling the surface with the lowest depth of the defects you're trying to remove.



LazyGhost said:
Question #2
Could someone please at least post a link to one of Mikes many helpful posts that explains the DA pads color coordination (white, yellow,orange,blue,black,gray) and explains what they're used for. I will be using a GG6 with a 5" backing plate and am looking for 5 1/2 pad choices. I will also accept any recommendations!
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Here you go...

5 1/2 inch and 6 inch Buffing Pads on Autogeek's Online Store



It's in my how-to book also...


Paperback






LazyGhost said:
Question #3

Using the 105/205 combo, is there another step or two that would be beneficial? Maybe adding a sealant or topping with another wax?

Thanks
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Both M105 and M205 are Body Shop Safe and water soluble and offer no protection so "yes" you want to "seal" the paint with a car wax, synthetic paint sealant or coating.


:)
 
I agree with everything Nick & Mike had to say. Personally, I would ditch the Ultimate Wax for #26, or you can go with the #21 sealant.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
You heard wrong. The Consumer Line is blended for ease of use by the average person, often time working by hand.

The Professional Line is blended for professional application by professionals, often times people that do this kind of work, 5, 6, and 7 days a week as compared to Joe Consumer who washes and waxes their car a couple times a year.

The Pro line also includes a lot of products formulated for targeted to the professional side of the industry which includes body shops with "fresh paint environments" so many of the products are what are called, "Body Shop Safe". This means using them in a place where fresh paint is sprayed, there are no ingredients in the products that could cause surface adhesion problems. This isn't a concern for Joe Consumer because they are not "painting their car they are washing and waxing their car.


Make sense?


:)
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Perfect sense, LoL :props:
 
Makes sense to me.

Im still adjusting my plan. Im purchasing some menz 400 and menz po85rd to have a second polishing system to try. Would it be advisable to top off my M105/205 polishin with some po85rd? Or is it not worth the effort?
 
LazyGhost said:
Would it be advisable to top off my M105/205 polishin with some po85rd? Or is it not worth the effort?
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I would give it a shot. PO85RD is an even finer polish than 205, it should give you a bit more gloss.
 
LazyGhost said:
LazyGhost said:
Makes sense to me.

Edited

Hey Mike, ya wouldnt be tryin to sell me that book would ya?
I guess ill pick that up to while im at it. ;-)
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The book is awesome! I've read it multiple times over the past few months, and refer to it on a regular basis. You're right on with the pad plan. I spent way more on pads than I did the machine. As to which colors, I think it really depends on what paint systems you will be working with. Personally I haven't had a use for cutting pads but use gray finishing pads like it's going out of style. It's nice to have the right tools for the job. :xyxthumbs:
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So, ifin i polish out with M105-M205-PO85RD.
My pad choices could be...

M105- orange
M205-white
Po85Rd-Gray
???
Help me out folks.
Also, when applying the po85rd, should the process for using the DA (speed in which i go over the sections and number of section passes) be the same as I used when applying the M105 and M205? Ive seen a video around here somewheres that showed someone handling the DA much faster and at a lower rate of speed, when using a three step polish.
 
Yes COULD be, a test spot is very important! In general you are on the right track imo. Generally you need to use more pressure and slower arm speed for the correction step, then less pressure, faster arm speed and slower machine speed for finishing. Check out the book, maybe you can download it?
 
LazyGhost said:
So, ifin i polish out with M105-M205-PO85RD.
My pad choices could be...

M105- orange
M205-white
Po85Rd-Gray
???
Help me out folks.
Also, when applying the po85rd, should the process for using the DA (speed in which i go over the sections and number of section passes) be the same as I used when applying the M105 and M205? Ive seen a video around here somewheres that showed someone handling the DA much faster and at a lower rate of speed, when using a three step polish.
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Good combo. I wouldnt go past speed 5 on the DA when using a final polish. Your trying to enhance gloss at this point not defect removal.
 
spiralout462 said:
Yes COULD be, a test spot is very important! In general you are on the right track imo. Generally you need to use more pressure and slower arm speed for the correction step, then less pressure, faster arm speed and slower machine speed for finishing. Check out the book, maybe you can download it?
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Cant download it. Aint on amazon kindle either. That woulda been sweet. Ill order the combo book/dvd in a few days when the wife lets me borrow her credit card.
Sign my copy

"To LazyGhost, just let me know when you want to borrow one of my sweet rides.

Your friend,
Mike Phillips"

Thanx
:xyxthumbs:
 
My plan seems to be changing daily. LC 5.5" flat pads, cant seem to find a "package deal". All are sold individually. Ohh well. Anyways, im no longer going with the ccs pads. At least not for finishing.

Im gonna be so invested in this ill have to start doing details every so often to try and recoop some of my expenses. lol. I originally came here looking for a little info on hand polish and waxing. I was the type of guy who wouldnt take my car to a wash and wax place because i thought $60 was way too much money. And a few hundred dollar detail was not even considerable. Now just look at me. Ill probably have $700 invested in this hobby before i do my truck for the first time. I hate you all, but ill be back tomorrow.
 
LazyGhost said:
My plan seems to be changing daily. LC 5.5" flat pads, cant seem to find a "package deal". All are sold individually. Ohh well. Anyways, im no longer going with the ccs pads. At least not for finishing.

Im gonna be so invested in this ill have to start doing details every so often to try and recoop some of my expenses. lol. I originally came here looking for a little info on hand polish and waxing. I was the type of guy who wouldnt take my car to a wash and wax place because i thought $60 was way too much money. And a few hundred dollar detail was not even considerable. Now just look at me. Ill probably have $700 invested in this hobby before i do my truck for the first time. I hate you all, but ill be back tomorrow.
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$700 dollars??? Thats about how much product worth I have, including my DA, and I do some work for clients once jn a while too. To start out as an enthusiast I think you might of overspent dude. Either say, money well spent but too much too soon IMO.
 
LazyGhost said:
My plan seems to be changing daily. LC 5.5" flat pads, cant seem to find a "package deal". All are sold individually. Ohh well. Anyways, im no longer going with the ccs pads. At least not for finishing.

Im gonna be so invested in this ill have to start doing details every so often to try and recoop some of my expenses. lol. I originally came here looking for a little info on hand polish and waxing. I was the type of guy who wouldnt take my car to a wash and wax place because i thought $60 was way too much money. And a few hundred dollar detail was not even considerable. Now just look at me. Ill probably have $700 invested in this hobby before i do my truck for the first time. I hate you all, but ill be back tomorrow.
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Lake Country 5 1/2 x 7/8 inch Beveled Edge Pads 6 Pack, foam pad kit, build a kit, buffing pads, curved edge pads

There ya go! I like these myself.
 
CM8 6MT said:
$700 dollars??? Thats about how much product worth I have, including my DA, and I do some work for clients once jn a while too. To start out as an enthusiast I think you might of overspent dude. Either say, money well spent but too much too soon IMO.
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I didnt even start out with a spray nozzle for my water hose. Had no microfibers. Then i went and bought a bunch of microfibers that might be good enough to wipe my tires if im lucky. Had to start over there. Bought a few kinds of polish and compounds to try so thats cost me by doubling up. Aint ordered my GG6 or my pads yet. I do plan to get enough pads to have plenty.

Yes, your absolutely right. But, what the wife dont knoe cant hurt me.:xyxthumbs:
 
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