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Is it possible to do a rinseless wash on a ride with black
Obsidian paint? Feed back please. :buffing:
 
Yes. IMO, using high quality towels, a proper dilution ratio, and only doing one wipe per side of towel is safe as long as the car does not have chunks of dirt.
 
yes, why not? just use more mf towels if youre really concerned on harming the paint.
 
My car is Black and I do a rinseless wash with it. I do the 2-bucket method with grit guards in both buckets, however, I use a sprayer and spray the panel 1st (the panel I am about to wash) and saturate it with a diluted car soap (Optimal car wash) solution. The sprayer helps lift the dirt and then I proceed to do the rinseless wash procedure. I dry the panel with the Sidekick and WW Towel.

I only do the rinseless wash if my car is not real ddirty. If it is then I will revert to the Foam gun 2 Bucket wash system.

If you do it right you should have no problem with a rinseless wash.

I used to have an Infiniti G35 6MT with Black Obsidian Paint. I am assuming you have a similar car as Obsidian Black is an Infiniti/Nissan car color.
 
SYMAWD said:
Yes. IMO, using high quality towels, a proper dilution ratio, and only doing one wipe per side of towel is safe as long as the car does not have chunks of dirt.
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+ 1 fully agree with you
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
My car is Black and I do a rinseless wash with it. I do the 2-bucket method with grit guards in both buckets, however, I use a sprayer and spray the panel 1st (the panel I am about to wash) and saturate it with a diluted car soap (Optimal car wash) solution. The sprayer helps lift the dirt and then I proceed to do the rinseless wash procedure. I dry the panel with the Sidekick and WW Towel.

I only do the rinseless wash if my car is not real ddirty. If it is then I will revert to the Foam gun 2 Bucket wash system.

If you do it right you should have no problem with a rinseless wash.

I used to have an Infiniti G35 6MT with Black Obsidian Paint. I am assuming you have a similar car as Obsidian Black is an Infiniti/Nissan car color.
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Have never heard of using diluted car wash soap as a pre-treatment for a RW. What dilution ratio do you use and does
anyone else use diluted car wash as a pre-treat before RW?
Feed back please. :buffing:
 
If it has clear coat, which I am assuming it does. Your actually touching the clear coat. So any color that has clear coat is roughly the same. Besides the make and model, year and where it was painted.

Like I stated above, your actually touching the clear paint.
 
No. Not if you have the paint corrected to a very high or near perfect level. Rinseless washes will mar more than conventional washes. Any wash can mar, but conventional washes are safer.

The wash mitt with a 2 BM is also safer than any towel. It has more surface area and longer nap to trap dirt. When you do a rinseless wash, your either use a towel (GDWM) or 2 buckets (2BM). A quality wash mitt is safer than any towel, and if doing a 2BM ALL the dirt on the paint is being wiped of with your mitt (assuming a true rinseless wash - no pre-rinsing)

Just my experience on my black car. The most significant step of a 2BM is likely just pre-rinsing the car down with a hose or pressure washer to remove the largest dirt particles.

If you think wiping those dirt particles off with a towel is as safe as pressure washing them off - I don't agree.

Of course, there are a lot of other factors why someone would choose to do a rinseless wash over a 2BM - but if your looking for the safest method for corrected black paint - rinseless ain't it.
 
SYMAWD said:
Yes. IMO, using high quality towels, a proper dilution ratio, and only doing one wipe per side of towel is safe as long as the car does not have chunks of dirt.
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:iagree:if you are using GDM with a pre-soak.
 
I have a black car myself.

Completely safe:)

As said use good MF towels.
 
Lexi65 said:
Have never heard of using diluted car wash soap as a pre-treatment for a RW. What dilution ratio do you use and does
anyone else use diluted car wash as a pre-treat before RW?
Feed back please. :buffing:
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Hi Lexi65

It is just my spin on a rinseless wash. It seems to be working better than expected (IMO). It is kind of like the foam gun 2 bucket wash system except it is the rinseless way. I use a pump sprayer (I believe it's 32 ounces) I get them at Lowe's or Home Depot in the Gardening section as the same sprayer on any auto website are about $16 - $30. I bought mine for about $4.
When you spray the panel it will be somewhat soapy (depending on dilution ratio) the way I guess the ratio is by trial method. But the real reason is that the panel will be wet and the soap lubricates and removes any dirt or removes the dirt easier (like a foam gun with a regular wash) when you use the rinseless wash mitt.

The rinseless wash works well enough to get all or most of the soapy panel clean. Then I use the Sidekick and WW Towel.

This is just my way for a rinseless wash and since my car is black I want to make sure I get NO SCRATCHES!!!!......LOL.

I like this way and so far I have not experienced any problems except my garage floor is a little wetter....LOL

:dblthumb2:
 
swanicyouth said:
No. Not if you have the paint corrected to a very high or near perfect level. Rinseless washes will mar more than conventional washes. Any wash can mar, but conventional washes are safer.

The wash mitt with a 2 BM is also safer than any towel. It has more surface area and longer nap to trap dirt. When you do a rinseless wash, your either use a towel (GDWM) or 2 buckets (2BM). A quality wash mitt is safer than any towel, and if doing a 2BM ALL the dirt on the paint is being wiped of with your mitt (assuming a true rinseless wash - no pre-rinsing)

Just my experience on my black car. The most significant step of a 2BM is likely just pre-rinsing the car down with a hose or pressure washer to remove the largest dirt particles.

If you think wiping those dirt particles off with a towel is as safe as pressure washing them off - I don't agree.

Of course, there are a lot of other factors why someone would choose to do a rinseless wash over a 2BM - but if your looking for the safest method for corrected black paint - rinseless ain't it.
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Car is a garage queen and basically dusty. I would be rinsing it
first with a hose. So you think a wool wash mitt would be
better than a MF towel?
 
mrclean said:
yes, why not? just use more mf towels if youre really concerned on harming the paint.
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Good advice, I think. Never economize on the number of towels you use. [I'm talking "Garry Dean" method where you slap one saturated towel after another on the surface]. I'm OK with the giant economy size bags you get from Sam's Club. Others insist on the plush ones. Don't skimp on the number, either way.

You can always go to the coin-op car wash to knock the dirt off first. If you want to be conservative, you could do that for a car that isn't very dirty. Or hose it off in your driveway, first.

I'm at the one year mark with rinseless, over 50 washes, and I can't see any scratches. Worst-case scenario, I might have to lightly polish it every five years. Boo-hoo. The car will be long gone before I come close to wearing out the finish.
 
swanicyouth said:
No. Not if you have the paint corrected to a very high or near perfect level. Rinseless washes will mar more than conventional washes. Any wash can mar, but conventional washes are safer.

The wash mitt with a 2 BM is also safer than any towel. It has more surface area and longer nap to trap dirt. When you do a rinseless wash, your either use a towel (GDWM) or 2 buckets (2BM). A quality wash mitt is safer than any towel, and if doing a 2BM ALL the dirt on the paint is being wiped of with your mitt (assuming a true rinseless wash - no pre-rinsing)

Just my experience on my black car. The most significant step of a 2BM is likely just pre-rinsing the car down with a hose or pressure washer to remove the largest dirt particles.

If you think wiping those dirt particles off with a towel is as safe as pressure washing them off - I don't agree.

Of course, there are a lot of other factors why someone would choose to do a rinseless wash over a 2BM - but if your looking for the safest method for corrected black paint - rinseless ain't it.
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1st and foremost I 100% completely agree with you. I believe a Foam Gun 2-Bucket 2 grit gaurds wash method is the BEST way to wash a car...PERIOD. HOWEVER, I will do a rinseless wash if my car has only dust and can be removed by the Sidekick blowing it off or removed by a CA Duster (IF USED correctly). If I can remove the dust I will rinseless wash. If I cannot remove the dust (which IMO is now Dirt) I will do the foam gun 2-bucket 2 -grit guard wash method no questions asked. I prefer the foam gun, however, not necessary. My car is garaged every night that is why I can do the rinseless wash. Dew is another reason to do the foam gun 2 bucket 2-grit guard wash.

DUST will be the only reason for a rinseless wash. swanicyouth I am in your corner 90%....No longer 100%...LOL Take care

Im the MAN
 
Lexi65 said:
Have never heard of using diluted car wash soap as a pre-treatment for a RW. What dilution ratio do you use and does
anyone else use diluted car wash as a pre-treat before RW?
Feed back please. :buffing:
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Bump... Anyone please? :buffing:
 
Lexi65 said:
Bump... Anyone please? :buffing:
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Not an actual car wash soap (like DG901 or Megs GC), but when I use BFRW in the summers, I pre-spray each panel with the BFRW diluted to QD strength (per the label). I use DGRW+AW in the winter (seems to play nicer with Coll845 than the BFRW does) and experimented with diluting it 1:10 (same as the BF dilution ratio for QD) and pre-spraying each panel. I decided in the winter I was only going to do a RW after first going to the touchless to remove most of the dirt and salt, so the QD really became moot. I do the GD method and use each towel sopping wet (no ring-out). In the summer I don't do a RW unless I am just cleaning to get rid of dust and pollen. If it has rained and the car is more dirty, I do the 2BM with DG901.

I think "lubricity" is the key with a pre-spray for a RW. You don't need soap/suds but extra layer of lubricity to resist scratching. A RW diluted to QD strength should provide that. Others feel free to dissent if I am missing the mark on this.
 
wdmaccord said:
Not an actual car wash soap (like DG901 or Megs GC), but when I use BFRW in the summers, I pre-spray each panel with the BFRW diluted to QD strength (per the label). I use DGRW+AW in the winter (seems to play nicer with Coll845 than the BFRW does) and experimented with diluting it 1:10 (same as the BF dilution ratio for QD) and pre-spraying each panel. I decided in the winter I was only going to do a RW after first going to the touchless to remove most of the dirt and salt, so the QD really became moot. I do the GD method and use each towel sopping wet (no ring-out). In the summer I don't do a RW unless I am just cleaning to get rid of dust and pollen. If it has rained and the car is more dirty, I do the 2BM with DG901.

I think "lubricity" is the key with a pre-spray for a RW. You don't need soap/suds but extra layer of lubricity to resist scratching. A RW diluted to QD strength should provide that. Others feel free to dissent if I am missing the mark on this.
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I agree with you about saturating each panel before RW. However, I use a pump sprayer with car soap in it. My guess the ratio is a little on the soapy side 1/8 of an ounce to 32 Ounce Pump sprayer. Rather be safe than sorry. If I can rinse the car 1st I will. However, if I can't rinse the car; I use the sprayer to pre spray each panel before the RW. This is to make sure each panel is fully wet or lubricated. Very similar to you. This is only for a dusty car. If there is dirt then Foam Gun 2-Bucket 2 grit guard method. I use a MF wash mitt for the RW. Lexi65 I hope I answered your question too. I like experimenting and what works for me I use and what doesn't which I screwed up alot I remember!!....LOL :buffing:
 
1. Nothing worse than self inflicted swirls. Been there. Done that.
2. Another factor to consider is the garage lighting. You may not see the induced swirls ( if any) until at street level in direct sunlight.
 
Why would you use car soap diluted or not as a pre soak, rinseless wash is so cheap just pre soak with that. It's made for what you are trying to achieve. Technically you could pre soak with any thing but conventional soap is made to be rinsed.
 
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