Please compare: Menzerna, Poor boys, XMT

I was going to use some of my fat tax return from this year to pay for my flex rotary and menzerna polishes but uncle sam deemed that I owe 1400 in back taxes. And little Cameron will be born in June so I had to buy a crib...Looks like Im going to bust my but with the UDM a little longer.

One last question about Menz...

So I get that its a polish thats worlds away from what Im using.
I get now that you can use it with a DA or ROTARY
When polishing with a DA it takes a lot longer to break down polish, so with Menzerna is it going to take even LONGER to polish with my UDM?
 
Asphalt can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it will take a little longer to break down than other polishes using the UDM, but not that much longer.
 
A1A_DETAIL said:
I was going to use some of my fat tax return from this year to pay for my flex rotary and menzerna polishes but uncle sam deemed that I owe 1400 in back taxes. And little Cameron will be born in June so I had to buy a crib...Looks like Im going to bust my but with the UDM a little longer.

One last question about Menz...

So I get that its a polish thats worlds away from what Im using.
I get now that you can use it with a DA or ROTARY
When polishing with a DA it takes a lot longer to break down polish, so with Menzerna is it going to take even LONGER to polish with my UDM?
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Yes it is going to take a little longer with a da, but how much you use also has a bearing on it. You do not use alot of Menz when polishing, hope that helps. Sorry to hear about you owing taxes, that is never a fun thing.
 
Size matters, with a PC, UDM or G110 - you need a 4" orange pad to do paint correction, you can get by with a 5.5" white for polishing. As far as products go, I liked XMT#3 ...until I tried Menzerna!
 
Junebug said:
Size matters, with a PC, UDM or G110 - you need a 4" orange pad to do paint correction, you can get by with a 5.5" white for polishing. As far as products go, I liked XMT#3 ...until I tried Menzerna!
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Newbie question ... what's the difference between polishing and correction? Is it simply a matter of degree? Thanks!
 
bignfuzzy said:
Newbie question ... what's the difference between polishing and correction? Is it simply a matter of degree? Thanks!
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Correcting is the removal of swirls, rids, oxidation, bird droppings, water etching, etc. When you correct, there is the chance or micro marring or hazing that can be left behind from compounds. You can use a wool (if you're using a rotary), orange, white, or yellow (if you have serious oxidation use yellow) pad. Polishing is what you do after you correct. This basically polishes the paint back to a nice high gloss. You use a polishing pad for this step, like a blue or red CCS pad.
 
bignfuzzy said:
Newbie question ... what's the difference between polishing and correction? Is it simply a matter of degree? Thanks!
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Terms vary from member to member and forum to forum. No real write or wrong answer, just user preference. For fun, I actually started a Poll on another forum to see what people called the final step of buffing. Most agreed on one term, but there was still several others. ;)
 
bignfuzzy said:
Newbie question ... what's the difference between polishing and correction? Is it simply a matter of degree? Thanks!
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Josh summed it better well. I go by the two different words. There is paint correction and then there is your polishing step or steps.
 
Maybe I should start calling it correcting to my customers as well.....sounds more labor intensive than just polishing....

You Polish candle sticks with brasso and a rag but there a lot more to correcting paint! :D
 
360_detail said:
Maybe I should start calling it correcting to my customers as well.....sounds more labor intensive than just polishing....

You Polish candle sticks with brasso and a rag but there a lot more to correcting paint! :D
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I consider "paint correction" the whole process. My steps are labeled compounding, polishing, and finishing. That is what you will typically find on the bottles for each step as well.

Power gloss is a Compound
SIP is a polish
PO85RD is a finishing polish

Again, there is no right or wrong answer here, but creating new terms for the same thing only adds confusion IMO.

Perfect example for this is the final buffing stage. Most call it finishing, but I've also seen it called; Jewelling, Burnishing, Refining, Mirroring, Finessing, final polishing, and my favorite...Reflectus Maximus!

All of these terms stand for the same thing, it's the final step using a fine polish and a finishing pad, which has no cutting properties....and using proper technique of course. ;)

Rasky
 
If you are removing rids or swirls or any type of defect you are correcting the paint. Then you polish it for maximum gloss.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
If you are removing rids or swirls or any type of defect you are correcting the paint. Then you polish it for maximum gloss.
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I completely agree, but if you really break it down...the polishing step is correcting the scratches left from the compound, and the finishing polish is correcting the even finer scratches from the polish. :D
 
RaskyR1 said:
I completely agree, but if you really break it down...the polishing step is correcting the scratches left from the compound, and the finishing polish is correcting the even finer scratches from the polish. :D
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I never said that it was just the compounding step that I am saying is my correction step, re-read what I said. I believe it says any type of defect.
 
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vinnier6 said:
i am noticing a trend in your posts....
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Really, what would that be. Just because I asked Rasky to re-read what I posted, big deal. He is a big boy, I am sure he will reply on his own and understands what I am saying.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
Really, what would that be. Just because I asked Rasky to re-read what I posted, big deal. He is a big boy, I am sure he will reply on his own and understands what I am saying.
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I got what you said. I didn't really feel my reply was directed specifically at compounding, sorry if that is the way it appeared. I was only trying to say that each step needs to be corrected or refined by using a less aggresive polish/pad.

There is no right or wrong answer here, and I'm not trying to tell any one to change what they call each step. I was simply explaining why I consider the whole process "correcting".

I do see where you are coming from, in that it's the first step that removes/corrects the defects is the paint, not the remaining steps. But that step does leaves it's own defects in the paint too, which is my reasoning behind it. ;)

Agian, no right or wrong here. :cheers:

Rasky
 
I agree with you and there is going to be several steps just in your correcting stage. Then you might just have one or several steps of polishing. Glad to see we understand each others views.:cheers:
 
ok guys....sheesh were fighting over terminology?

Let me tell you a story real quick since were all off topic anyway. I belong to a jeep website because I have a jeep and really like it and the site is a wealth of knowledge. I also belong now to this site.

One thing ive noticed here is that there is a L O T of ego. And when one starts to defend ones self it can turn ugly really fast. Something I dont really see after 3 years on the Jeep site.

Its understandable. Each and everyone of us here details for fun, money and takes a LOT of pride in our work. Its a labor of love. Something that you pour hard work, sweat and sometimes a little blood into. The end job is "our baby." Even if its someone elses car its OURS for those sunshine hours of that day. And we can be a little protective over that work and how we got there. The best way for you might not be the best way for someone else.

So my point is, we all have to realize that there is more than one way to China. You can go there any which way you choose. If in the end you have a super high gloss, swirl and defect free paint job and yourself and the owner are drooling then you did it right. And it doesnt matter if youve done that 1 million times or 10 times, you did it. So if you want to call it polishing and the other dude wants to call it compounding then so be it.

Moral of the story....Chill out. :cheers:
 
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