Please dont flame. Legit questions about a certain wax company. insight needed

[touring]

I started detailing aboiut a month ago and of course i started with the basic's, Turtle wax. For the obvious reasons it was cheap, easy to get a hold of and easy to use. i was doing most of my work by hand using a micro fiber aplicator(now i know it should have been foam) and have got what looked to me great results. most of the cars i did this method was on new cars. i used NXT 2.0 but got similer results to the turtle wax which was only 5$ at any walmart compared to the 20$ bottle of NXT.

I now have a PC 7424xp and all the different types of pads. As for what waxes im using- turtle wax,turtle polishing compond and turtle rubbing compond. Should i even be looking at these products? i am getting great results,easily aquired and its cheap.

What do you guys think? Feed back please

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I now have a PC 7424xp and all the different types of pads. As for what waxes im using- turtle wax, turtle polishing compond and turtle rubbing compond.

Should i even be looking at these products? i am getting great results,easily aquired and its cheap.

What do you guys think?

1. What are you working on?
2. What color is it?
3. Is it important to you?

 

[truckbutt]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Use what you feel works for you and is within your budget. You might want to dip your toe in the water and try some of the products recommended here and see which you like better. I use what I use because I like it, not based on how much it costs. There is also more to how a car looks after you just finished. How long will that finish last, and under what kinds of environmental conditions. Also, when you say something looks good to you, it helps to have a point of reference. Once you try other things you may find the Turtle Wax looks good, but maybe not as good or better then some things that you might try.

 

[yakky]

If you have great results, then why change? For me, the look of most consumer line products fades fast, ie the first rainshower. Some of the better brands continue to look good rain after rain, wash after wash.

 

[Rsurfer]

If you have great results, then why change? For me, the look of most consumer line products fades fast, ie the first rainshower. Some of the better brands continue to look good rain after rain, wash after wash.

:iagree: How true, if it wasn't AG would not be in business.

 

[BobbyG]

I've never seen anyone flamed for asking a question.

If your "really" satisfied with the results then look no further. If you'd like to step it up a notch then do a little reading and some experimenting then decide.

This link contains articles written by Mike Phillips and has allot of great reading within.

Articles by Mike Phillips

Basic steps in order are:

• Wash
• Clay
• Paint Correction & Polish
• Seal
• Wax

These polishes combined with the correct pads on your Porter Cable 7424xp polisher with give outstanding results.

Compound - Menzerna Super Intensive PO83Q
Polish - Menzerna Super Finish Po106FA

Sealants

• Menzerna Power Lock
• Optimum Opti-Seal
• PRIMA Hydro-Seal
  
• Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection
• Jett Acrylic

Wax

• Collinite 845
• Pinnacle Souveran Signature Series ll
• Optimum Spray Wax
• Prima Banana Gloss
• Blackfire Midnight Sun

Paint Coatings

• Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0
• Element 119
• Permanon Car Platinum

 

[FUNX650]

One of the questions Mr. Phillips asked:
What are you working on?

For me: Vehicles that have a modern BC/CC paint system:
I forgo the use of what is usually, IMO, too 'aggressive' of compounding/polishing media (abrasives) that are often found in products such as, or similar to, the ones you have listed.

But, a person's technique/products/tools, among other variables, will also play an important role in 'aggressiveness'.

I'm sure there will be plenty of advice coming your way soon...paying very close attention to Mr. Phillips' advice is what I highly recommend at this stage of your "detailing career".

What waxes to use may be better delegated to be further down your list of "how-to's" for the moment.

Just saying....

Bob

 

[touring]

1. What are you working on?
2. What color is it?
3. Is it important to you?

1. mostly BMW's, Porshe's and mercades.
2. any color but i have not done a black car yet.
3. customer satisfation, so yes it is.

I think i might try the klasse all in one.

i just wasent sure if i needed to steep my game up on waxes. basically i didnt know if i was missing out on something.

 

[opie_7afe]

if you still want the ease of buying in town, try to find a paint supply store they usually carry 3m and meguiars mirror glaze products. while i cant speak for 3m products i love my meguiars mirror glaze.i think pepboys,advance auto and autozone carry mirror glaze products. if you cant find those meguiars ultimate compound works great as well as the ultimate polish. i would move away from the turtle wax i used it works good for hand application on small spots but on a whole car just not worth it in my opinion. i would upgrade your products as you have clearly upgraded your method. get a spare pannel from a junk yard to practice on and practice on your own ride to see how new products work for you. good luck in your detailing profession.

 

[touring]

if you still want the ease of buying in town, try to find a paint supply store they usually carry 3m and meguiars mirror glaze products. while i cant speak for 3m products i love my meguiars mirror glaze.i think pepboys,advance auto and autozone carry mirror glaze products. if you cant find those meguiars ultimate compound works great as well as the ultimate polish. i would move away from the turtle wax i used it works good for hand application on small spots but on a whole car just not worth it in my opinion. i would upgrade your products as you have clearly upgraded your method. get a spare pannel from a junk yard to practice on and practice on your own ride to see how new products work for you. good luck in your detailing profession.

The panel from the junk yard is a great idea. Autozone carrys a wide range of mirror glaze products, i think i might try those out. thank you. i should start taking pics of my work.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

1. mostly BMW's, Porshe's and mercades.
2. any color but i have not done a black car yet.
3. customer satisfation, so yes it is.

Last time I used any rubbing or polishing compound from the green crawling guy it didn't have abrasive technology that was as good as other options. I have not tried anything current from them so I don't know if they've improved their abrasive technology or not and it's not my habit to bash any products or people.

If you choose to use any of the products you listed to abrade the paint then do yourself a favor and ONLY apply them to a "Test Spot" and then inspect the results and make sure you like what you're seeing before buffing out the entire car.

If it were me and I was working on BMW's, Porsche's, and Mercedes-Benz type cars, (and I do), then I would spend the coin on some time-proven products with state of the art abrasive technology and skip the consumer grade stuff...

That's just me though... I always tell people to,

"Find something you like and use it often"

i just wasent sure if i needed to steep my game up on waxes. basically i didnt know if i was missing out on something.

Most people will agree, it's the prep work that determines your final end results, not the wax... that means using good quality compounds and polishes.

Look at the Wolfgang Twins for a Medium Cut Polish and a Fine Cut Polish for getting results you'll be happy with guaranteed.


The Wolfgang Twins


Occasionally I get a Private Message asking what the Wolfgang Twins are so this is a simple thread that shows the products with link to their pages on the Autogeek.net store.


The Wolfgang Twins
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 16 oz
Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0 16 oz

In simple terms...

The Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover is medium strength swirl mark remover that will tackle a majority of the cars that most people reading this will ever tackle.

The Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is a very light finishing polish that will refine the results created by the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover and leave a clear, haze-free finish.


For most projects you would,

Step 1 - Wash and dry car

Step 2 - Inspect paint for above surface bonded contaminants
If discovered, use detailing clay to remove the contaminants, see this article.

Step 3 - Remover Swirls
At this step you would use the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover

Step 4 - Polish to a high gloss
At this step you would use the Finishing Glaze

Step 5 - Seal and protect paint
At this step you would apply your LSP or Last Step Product, this could be a wax or a paint sealant. A popular choice that keeps you in the Wolfgang family would be to follow the Finishing Glaze with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0

Then if you want you can top the WDGPS with Wolfgang Fuzion.
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This car had the above process used over the for a swirl free, show car finish.

1994 Porsche Detailed for "Operation Comfort" Modeled by Brittany from Stuart, Florida

Anyone can get show car results the first time!
This black Porsche was also buffed out using the Wolfgang Twins followed by Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and Fuzion.

Proof You Can Do It! - Joe The Detailer - Black Porsche Turned into Black Pearl!

Any paint system, any car...
Here's an example of one of our forum members removing rotary buffers swirls using the Wolfgang Twins on his 350Z


How To Remove Horrible Rotary Buffer Swirl Marks out of a 350Z using the Wolfgang Twins


Before - Rotary Buffer Swirls Everywhere in the paint

After - A 100% Swirl Free Finish

Wolfgang Paint Correction and Finishing System

Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 16 oz
Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0 16 oz
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0
Wolfgang Fuzion


Together with any of the DA Polishers and foam buffing pads Autogeek offers anyone can get show car results in their garage!


Take care of your own cars or detail your friends and neighbor's cars and you new detailing hobby will pay for itself.


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[bobble]

I would suggest trying out the Megs product line, it is not that much more than the OTC Turtle wax products, better suited to modern paint systems. You can find those at places others have mentioned.

Klasse AIO is a solid product, been using it as a pint cleaner prep when no polishing is needed for years.

Also some of the modern sealants and hybrids are worth checking out, then want to applied so thin that really you get a lot for your money. Good values like Collinite 845 or the DuraGloss lines. They are both outstanding products and great values. DuraGloss can be sourced at Napa stores as well.

Can't hurt to try some different products.