Please Help! Re: 303 Aerospace

We'll I've done it a lot of times even with a solvent dressing .its 303 water based should come off real easy .or try a hot towel with vinegar there are so many ways to remove it safely
 
GSKR said:
We'll I've done it a lot of times even with a solvent dressing .its 303 water based should come off real easy .or try a hot towel with vinegar there are so many ways to remove it safely
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Well I have tried Optimum APC and hot water. Neither worked.

I am pretty sure using some solvent on my dash will probably wreck it completely.

According to the Gurus 303 is water based and should come off easily. Well the base might be water, but the rest of that crap is some chemical that sticks and is too shiny and wont come off.

303 is a nightmare, it has made driving a new car in the sun really tough and I wish I had never heard of it.
 
Where are you in Florida ? I will get it off for you.
 
No I'm on the other side of the continent, B.C. We've had three days of bright sunshine since I put this crap on the dash.

My point about stuff being water based, is that even water based paint says on the wall and doesn't come off just because it comes into contact with water.
 
It was a matte black/dark grey. Now it is just black and shiny. I'm worried that anything else like alcohol etc. is just going to completely wreck the dash.

I'll just have to buy dash mats for sunny days. Makes me sick. I guess this is a lesson to me that free internet advice is worth exactly what I paid for it. At my age I would have thought I would have learned that by now.
 
Go to harbor freight and buy a cheap steamer it has to come off.
 
GSKR said:
Try diluted alcohol what color is dash.
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No, don't use alcohol on the dash.

If you've tried Optimum (Power Clean I suppose) then that's interesting for sure, because I removed 303 with it before.

What dilution ratio? OPC is safe foe interiors up to 4:1. That's what I just happened to use.

These APCs won't wreck it dash, but keep alcohol away from it.

If I were you (and you've already tried OPC at 4:1) I would call 303 and figure out exactly what to do.

In the future, do a small test spot. This is is a perfect example as to why you should do a test spot before just covering the whole dash with it before doing so.

As for recommendations for a replacement product, I'd use HD Protect.
 
Frank56 said:
It was a matte black/dark grey. Now it is just black and shiny. I'm worried that anything else like alcohol etc. is just going to completely wreck the dash.

I'll just have to buy dash mats for sunny days. Makes me sick. I guess this is a lesson to me that free internet advice is worth exactly what I paid for it. At my age I would have thought I would have learned that by now.
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Frank- the 303 WILL GO AWAY eventually. And no, it won't take a year. With all the scrubbing you've done, I really don't think it will be all that long. Worst case scenario, a month? I'd certainly think the effect you're seeing will be somewhat muted in a few days time. Maybe a week or two.

I applied Meguires Natural Shine Protectant to my dash earlier this summer. In the summer heat, I began to see spotting in just a few days. As it turned out, the spotting was the product simply evaporating from the dash. I might suggest leaving the vehicle parked in direct sunlight. Perhaps you'll see a similar effect. At this point, it's worth a shot!
 
Thousands of people use 303 with no issues when it is applied correctly. Stop bad mouthing the product. It has always been a low sheen and not a matte finish product. I personally stopped using it because it think it smells like the dirty, smelly, sweaty gym clothes that I would leave in my locker for ever way back in high school. Get some 1Z Einzett Deep Plastic Cleaner. It should have no problem removing it. Then use the 1Z Cockpit Premium if you want a truly matte finish. The Megs Qwik Interior detailer is cheap and produces an almost identical finish as the 1Z.
 
I'll start with saying I have ony been on the site since October. I have spent hours reading product advice from the professionals and amateurs that make up a large portion of posters on this web site. Like you I read a lot of positive things about 303 and thought I would give it a try. I also did quite a bit of my own research, such as watching this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUAnKT4sVQE. This guy lives in sunny Florida and applied 303 to his dash. It is also VERY sunny where I am in the spring, summer and autumn. If you watch the video his dash was and ends up being really shiny. The product reviews were still mostly positive so I thought I'd give it a shot because my dash isn't made of the same hard looking plastic as that Honda. I purchased two products, 303 and CG Silk Shine, and did two test spots on my upper door panels that are made of the same material as my dash. Then decided to do the entire door panel, both sides, and asked a few friends to compare. Ended up using 303 for the entire dash. It does not have a factory like appearance but on my dash isn't very shiny. Its a shame you have to bad mouth a product because you didn't do enough research. I hope you have better luck on your future detailing endeavours just spend a little more time researching and testing before you go 100%.
 
I have the opposite effect when using 303 on my 2015 accord. My black colored dashboard seems to soak up the product and keep the same dull appearance so i don't know how much to add or decrease. I do like using it on the exterior trim since it seems to last awhile. The only other product i've used on the dash with great results is vinylex which gives it a deep dark finish.
 
I've been using 303 since the mid 80's and have never had an issue like this. I use it on tires, interior and exterior plastic and vinyl. I currently use it on my Camro and it leaves the dash the same very low gloss finish. Keep it and use it on your tires. One coat gives the tires a natural look, two coats adds more gloss. It has to be the material that particular material they use in that dash.
Believe me 303 is a great product. As I mentioned I've been using it for three decades and never had a problem on any surface. I understand your having issues with this one particular application, but that doesn't mean it's a bad product. Maybe a bad application for a Honda dash. Just like different polishes, pads, etc. work differently with different paint systems.
 
Unfortunately it is a bit late once it has been applied. Also the spurious advice to just put it on a small area initially is stupid because it has to be on an area of the dash that actually gets the sun. The results will either be a 303 treated area that is large and will look weird or if it's too small it won't really show whether it is shiny and reflective or not.

I have scrubbed the dash with a MF cloth and hot water and APC approx: 25 times and it is still shiny. Not as much as before, but still enough to cause a lot of glare especially at this time of year when the sun is very low in the PNW.

Advice to buff it even more is a direct contradiction from the advice received from some bloke at 303. He accused me of buffing it too much. Obviously no one really knows.

303 might be OK for some applications, but for me with the Honda it was a complete nightmare and waste of money. I wouldn't use it any where else on my vehicle regardless of all the advice from so called gurus and experts and my advice to anyone contemplating using it would be to stay well away.
 
I can only imagine the overall damage that's
occurred to the dash, by now, from it being
scrubbed 25 times with MF-towels laden with APC.


Reminds me of:
Just like all of the scrubbing that my, long time ago,
Dockers casual dress pants use to go through from
being cleaned by washing/drying/dry-cleaning/etc.:
Unless properly treated...I doubt the shininess will
ever go away.

Have you considered taking it to the point-of-sale
for their appraisal of this issue?


And just to note:
My research about cleaning/protecting my
vehicles' dashes always begins with reading
and following the Owners Manuals' directions.


Bob
 
Frank56 said:
Unfortunately it is a bit late once it has been applied. Also the spurious advice to just put it on a small area initially is stupid because it has to be on an area of the dash that actually gets the sun. The results will either be a 303 treated area that is large and will look weird or if it's too small it won't really show whether it is shiny and reflective or not.

I have scrubbed the dash with a MF cloth and hot water and APC approx: 25 times and it is still shiny. Not as much as before, but still enough to cause a lot of glare especially at this time of year when the sun is very low in the PNW.

Advice to buff it even more is a direct contradiction from the advice received from some bloke at 303. He accused me of buffing it too much. Obviously no one really knows.

303 might be OK for some applications, but for me with the Honda it was a complete nightmare and waste of money. I wouldn't use it any where else on my vehicle regardless of all the advice from so called gurus and experts and my advice to anyone contemplating using it would be to stay well away.
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Not stupid at all, do a small spot in the sun then. Not the whole dash.

Stop using APC (it probably won't hurt so long as it's car specific like Meguiar's APC or OPC but it's to the point of excessiveness) and hot water and all that. If you want to accelerate the removal of 303, then use Meguiar's Quik Interior Detailer or 1Z Einszett Cockpit Premium. Not as much cleaning power, but will leave protection behind.

Gurus or not, you're acting like we are to blame when you didn't test it before. I'll go ahead and say that if your accord is newer it should have the same material on my dash as my TSX. If it's shiny then you did something wrong or maybe the dealership did something.

Have you even called 303 and done something proactive instead of coming in here and telling us you've done the same thing over and over expecting a different result? Not to sound like a prick, but if it didn't work the first or 10th time I don't know why you would keep doing it.
 
Yeah I've never understood why people think 303 is matte, its super shiny.

If you want pure matte, just go with a detailer like Meguiars Interior Detailer, which has UV protection.

If you can deal with a 'barely noticeable' amount of gloss, try ultima interior guard plus.

If you dont want to spend that much, try blackfire interior protectant, which is slightly shiny, but probably 1/5th the gloss of 303.
 
Frank56 said:
Also the spurious advice to just put it on a small area initially is stupid because it has to be on an area of the dash that actually gets the sun.
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Really? You couldn't put a dime sized sample in the middle of the dash first? You may have possibly thought "Wow that's really shiny better not us this product!".:xyxthumbs:


Eldorado2k said:
Can we see some pictures of how bad this is?
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:iagree:
 
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