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Hi everyone. I am new to auto detailing, so please bare with me if I sound like a noob.

Just recently I bought a brand new CX5 in metallic gray. I cleaned the car and put some Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid Wax on day one. While the look is decent right after waxing, i have noticed a layer of dust built up on the car the very next morning. That really bugs the living hell out of me. I live in an apartment so my car is parked in a car port at night, and out in the sun during the day when I am at work. I plan to do a real car wash once every month or two, and use waterless method in between.

I have been reading a lot about coatings for the past few days, and seems like coating will repel dust much better than traditional wax or sealant, so I am very tempted to give it a try. I know there are many posts about ceramic coatings already, but can you recommend me a coating that is best suited for my needs?

- Repels Dust
- Able to withstand waterless car wash (good scratch resistance)
- Gives protection to California sunshine
- Last at least 1 year

I don't need the car to look brand new all the time, I just want it to stay clean as much as possible. Mckee's coating seems very good for the price, but I think some people say the new version is not as slick as the old version, so does that mean it will hold on to dust more than a coating that is slicker?

Thanks!!
 
Your car will have a layer of dust on it after 1 day regardless of what type of protection you have applied... heck, it will have dust on it with in 1 hour regardless of what type of protection you have applied. You might run, you might hide, but you cannot escape the dust.

A waterless wash, when done properly, should not scratch a vehicle... regardless of what type of protection you have applied to it. No coating can prevent damage from poor washing technique.

Any quality coating will make your vehicle easier to clean and keep your car looking cleaner for longer periods of time, which will save you time in the grand scheme of things, but frequent and proper maintenance is critical... again, regardless of what type of protection you have applied.
 
Yea, I understand dust falling on top of the car is unavoidable. But from what I read online, seems like wax/sealant will attract dust more than a coating because wax/sealant is not as anti-static as coating?

Honestly, I was hoping that with a good coating, dust will get blown off when I drive the car lol...maybe that's too much to ask for?
 
That is too much to ask for.

Static is developed when you rub the car... with wax, with a towel, etc.

Waxes and sealants tend to create a stronger charge which will attract more dust in a given period of time, but coatings will still get dusty, and dust will not just fly off the car unfortunately.

The major benefits to nano coatings are the ease of maintenance (easier to clean, do not have to reapply in weeks or months), durable glossy finish, and thicker protection.

I coat all of my vehicles and will likely never go back to traditional protection, but it is important to understand the abilities and limitations of a coating so your expectations are not set higher than the capabilities of the coating.
 
Thanks for the explanation Zach!

So will the slick or grabby nature of the coating have any effect on anything?
 
Since you are new to detailing, I would start with the McKee's. It's the "gateway" coating. It's easy to apply, cheap, works well, and since the bottle goes a long way, you can experiment with how much is needed without worrying about running out before you finish the vehicle. Once you get the hang of it, there is a whole world of new protection options.
 
ywcsam said:
Thanks for the explanation Zach!

So will the slick or grabby nature of the coating have any effect on anything?
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No, not really. Silica based coatings in general are not as slick as traditional waxes and sealants (though some coatings are beginning to add ingredients that enhance slickness), though in my opinion the physical slickness has nothing to do with how a wax, sealant, or coating performs... it just feels cool.

If you do prefer a slick to the touch feel, there are many spray on sealants that have been created to work in conjunction with a nano coating that will enhance gloss, slickness, and add more protection on top of your coating. Products like CarPro Reload, Gyeon Cure, GTechniq C2, etc.
 
I know that this is going a completely different direction that where you are heading, but I wanted to offer an observation.

I've been using McKee's Extender Spray wax on my car for the past month or so, and it seems to be more dust repellent than any other product that I have tried. In addition, it looks really good on metallic gray.
 
Welcome to the forum!

Your getting great advice here on the coatings for sure, so instead of joining in there I will comment on your other situation, the waterless/rinseless wash. IMO WW is pretty much for dust, light to moderate and even light dirt from driving in the rain, there are MANY options here but IMO its Ech2o and N914. Taking it a step further, IMO the Ech2o is better for doing RW but still does great in WW form, N914 on the other hand, the opposite, great with WW and still great in RW but for doing RW with N914, I like to double the concentration, that's just me. Get yourself a 1000 ml Kwazzer spray bottle, actually 2 of them, one for RW and one for WW. When doing WW I like to make a gallon at a time, so get yourself some distilled water and follow the directions for making both RW and WW's and you'll be happy but for RW's it isn't a must to use distilled because your making up the mix right there in the bucket and getting after it on the spot, whereas with WW its best to make a gallon at a time, again, just my .02 cents.

Good luck with the coating you chose and post pics!
 
I'll come right out and it answered your question I recommend McKees 37 sio2 coating.



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Klasse Act said:
Welcome to the forum!
Taking it a step further, IMO the Ech2o is better for doing RW but still does great in WW form,

Never tried Ech20 as a RW, but if it works as well as you say, you would think Car Pro would put that on their label.
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Rsurfer said:
Klasse Act said:
Welcome to the forum!
Taking it a step further, IMO the Ech2o is better for doing RW but still does great in WW form,

Never tried Ech20 as a RW, but if it works as well as you say, you would think Car Pro would put that on their label.
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Yeah someone brought this up to them, forgot how they contacted them but it was confirmed by them for use as a RW. If you try it this way you'll be blown away, trust me

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In California probably do carpro cquartz with echo2 as my waterless. If you live in SoCal where rain is uncommon probably would rarely need a reset wash


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Agree with Roger here. ECH2O is really a nice rinseless wash, and it leaves a bit of SiO2 protection as well.

For the OP, I agree that McKee's coating will probably be a very easy first coating. I've never used it, but I've used Pinnacle Black Label, and it is more or less the same type of coating and applied in the same way. It's very hard to mess up with spray coatings like McKee's or PBL.

Another good one distributed by PBMC is Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating. This is more like the rest of the coatings out there -- drops are placed on an applicator and the applicator is used to wipe on the coating. I've used Wolfgang on paint, trim, windows and wheels, and I think it is easy to apply and works great. It is, however, very pricey.

The Gyeon line of coatings are also very good, but the higher end ones (along with some other notables not sold by PBMC) take a little practice.

They all make your paint -- especially dark paint -- look fantastic.

Whatever you choose, don't use any waxes or sealants on top of your nano/ceramic coatings. It's not that it is unsafe; it's just that you'll trade the hydrophobic properties of your coating for those of your wax/sealant -- until the wax/sealant is gone. Top your coatings with products that are meant to top coatings.
 
Topping a coating will also change the looks in addition to what Kevin said about water beading and I'll also add self cleaning abilities! I have Wolfgang ceramic paint coating on my car and even when it's dirty it's never ever "that" dirty and the gloss just shines through. I should also mention the POP of the metal flake, incredible

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I'll bring up one not mentioned yet and deserves serious consideration: Feynlab Ceramic Lite. Easy to use, strong, slick. You will be a very, very happy camper with that on your paint.
 
ywcsam said:
Hi everyone. I am new to auto detailing, so please bare with me if I sound like a noob.

Just recently I bought a brand new CX5 in metallic gray. I cleaned the car and put some Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid Wax on day one. While the look is decent right after waxing, i have noticed a layer of dust built up on the car the very next morning. That really bugs the living hell out of me. I live in an apartment so my car is parked in a car port at night, and out in the sun during the day when I am at work. I plan to do a real car wash once every month or two, and use waterless method in between.

I have been reading a lot about coatings for the past few days, and seems like coating will repel dust much better than traditional wax or sealant, so I am very tempted to give it a try. I know there are many posts about ceramic coatings already, but can you recommend me a coating that is best suited for my needs?

- Repels Dust
- Able to withstand waterless car wash (good scratch resistance)
- Gives protection to California sunshine
- Last at least 1 year

I don't need the car to look brand new all the time, I just want it to stay clean as much as possible. Mckee's coating seems very good for the price, but I think some people say the new version is not as slick as the old version, so does that mean it will hold on to dust more than a coating that is slicker?

Thanks!!
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I'm not sure what part of California you are in but dust is a common thing. It just happens regardless if the paint is waxed, sealed or coated in California. It is a desert land after all.

Zach gave you a lot of good information.

You may want to pick up some Meguiar's Ultimate Fast Finish locally. Seems to help with not attracting dust as much. Also claimed to offer 1 year of protection. It is also slick and very user friendly. I would go this route since you are fairly new to detailing.

Klasse Act said:
Welcome to the forum!

Your getting great advice here on the coatings for sure, so instead of joining in there I will comment on your other situation, the waterless/rinseless wash. IMO WW is pretty much for dust, light to moderate and even light dirt from driving in the rain, there are MANY options here but IMO its Ech2o and N914. Taking it a step further, IMO the Ech2o is better for doing RW but still does great in WW form, N914 on the other hand, the opposite, great with WW and still great in RW but for doing RW with N914, I like to double the concentration, that's just me. Get yourself a 1000 ml Kwazzer spray bottle, actually 2 of them, one for RW and one for WW. When doing WW I like to make a gallon at a time, so get yourself some distilled water and follow the directions for making both RW and WW's and you'll be happy but for RW's it isn't a must to use distilled because your making up the mix right there in the bucket and getting after it on the spot, whereas with WW its best to make a gallon at a time, again, just my .02 cents.

Good luck with the coating you chose and post pics!
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I agree that Ech20 does work really well as a rinseless wash. I also find that it does a nice job of not attracting as much dust. N914 seems to do pretty well also in that aspect.

Rsurfer said:
Taking it a step further, IMO the Ech2o is better for doing RW but still does great in WW form,

Never tried Ech20 as a RW, but if it works as well as you say, you would think Car Pro would put that on their label.
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It is mentioned on the carpro site.

Rinse-less Wash:

Mix 3 gallons of water with 2-3 ounces of Ech2o in a bucket with Grit Guard
Fill another 5 gallon bucket with grit guard and ONLY clean water
Submerge Crazy Pile Microfiber Towel in the solution bucket
Fold Towel in half and drag slowly across surface no pressure across 1/4 of a panel
Flip Towel and do a couple other passes on the next 1/4 of panel
Flip Towel In side out and repeat using all 4 sides to complete one panel
Use a seperate clean soaked towel for final buffing wipe
Use a DRY summit 800 or suitable drying towel to dry the panel completely before moving on to next panel
Wash the dirty towels in your rinse bucket OR use a new towel submerged and repeat steps 3-8
Wash all towels in washing machine with Micro-Restore when complete
 
ech20 is a great product. I used it as a rw and recently started using it mixed 20:1 plus 3 ounces of reload as a quick detailer. I switched to UBER as my RW and it is amazing! Way slicker than ech20 for RW.
 
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