Please Weigh In: Polymer Sealants vs. Ceramic/Silica Products

GTPpilot said:
DP Poli-Coat is an interesting product.
Sounds like coating/sealant hybrid kind of deal.

Does Poli-Coat have ceramic/silica in it, or is just a different kind of polymer package ?

^^^Perhaps it's a colloidal silica/polymer composite?^^^:dunno:
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A lot of detailing LSP-products are interesting, in regards to their having, or being-constituted-with: "Polymers"...
This also includes: Waxes.

It's hard to believe that, after almost 70 years:
"Polymer" is still, seemingly, a buzz-word.

Bob
 
Anyone have any idea what a "natural polymer" could be? I saw a wax that said it contains that.
 
I just recently bought Pinnacles coating due to its ease of application (as per instructions) mostly for my mustang. It's no longer my dd and sits outside 24/7 so I need the best protection available. My ranger probably won't see any type of coating since it sees light off roading and scratches are inevitable (exactly why I purchased a lightly beat up dd). My truck will continue to use sealants/waxes, I do enjoy changing it up from time to time.
 
swanicyouth said:
Anyone have any idea what a "natural polymer" could be?
I saw a wax that said it contains that.

Was it:
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Plenty of natural occurring polymers. {Pharmacists should know of a couple. :D}

Here's just a few:
-DNA, RNA
-Spider webs
-Silk
-Wood, potatoes---starch
-Enzymes
-Proteins


:)

Bob
 
Shortspark said:
I don't use coatings. Never have and hope I never will. And not because they are super expensive or hard to apply. I have said it before and I'll say it again - these coatings take the fun out of detailing. I'm not talking about pro detailers that have to make a living at this or must use the products if demanded by their customers. I'm talking about the majority of us who do this because it is a hobby, therapy or just because we like working on and looking at our ride.

Once you put these coatings on you are talking a year or two and in some cases, even more. I love to experiment with different products, strip and apply, strip again in a couple months and apply something else - so on and so forth. I want to rub on my paint and see the fruits of my labor for the simple reason that I enjoy doing it. I want to use different products in the never ending quest to find the perfect "look", even if I know I will never achieve perfection and that I will go broke trying. Don't make it so easy for me that I spray something on, walk away and forget it for a couple years because if you do I will no longer have a complete hobby, only a partial and incomplete one.

I appreciate the advances in technology but it sort of reminds me of the old days when I drove four speed on the floor stick Hemis'. I don't want to give up my automatic transmission but I had more control of what I was doing and a better overall driving experience with my manual transmission. I was truly connected with the car as one and it was a ball cranking the gears to red line as I went through the shift points. It is the same with detailing as far as I am concerned - you can advance the technology as far as you want, just don't take all the fun out of it.
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+1, I agree. There's nothing like applying a high quality wax to perfect paint, and buffing it off afterword’s and see the car glow. It's very therapeutic and enjoyable to me. Plus, it's not like coatings are scratch resistant, you still have to maintain them....so, basically you have another layer of clear on your car you have to maintain? I'm in no way knocking them, if they suit your needs then have at it. I'm glad there are many different options for everyone's needs.
 
Every situation is different. When I was single/no kids or even married w/ no kids Id switch LSPS (waxes) every other weekend it seemed like. I had the extra time which it all boiled down to.

Now I have twin boys, a wife, and 2 dogs as well as we own our own home now as opposed to renting. There's always stuff that needs to be done around the house. In my situation at the moment a coating would be an EXCELLENT choice. When all I have to do is wash to maintain for the most part.

FWIW I had camaros/corvette before the kids now I have a full size CC pickup so thats even MORE time wasted on detailing it.
 
Yeah, every situation is different and I'm glad there's tons of options out there for sure. Sounds like coatings work awesome for your situation, especially with a big truck. For me, waxing takes roughly 20 mins and most high quality wax's will last a min of 60 days (I usually apply more coats in between just because I enjoy it). I usually squeeze the time in when all the kiddo's and wife are fast asleep, haha.
 
Polymers is 2008, sealant 2009-10 and coating is the future you want it or not, it will be easier and easier to apply and longer to stay on a car and look will improves. Look at Pinnacle brand-it makes new coating to stay competitive. I think every company will introduce coating now to stay in business. I expect to see some form of coating in my local Walmart may in a summer?
 
Thanks Bob

I remember reading that article but I still don't understand why it's not recommended for SS paint.
What I got out of that artical is that it wasn't tested on SSP and that others have tried it with good results but then it may not hold up.

I guess what I need is for someone who actually tried it on SSP and ask them their thoughts.

As of right now I have palms to go with DP coating unless I get a full review from someone who can prove to me it works well for my needs.

I tell you coatings confuse me:(

Thanks again



FUNX725 said:
One answer for Optimum Coatings on SS-paint can be found here:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/71714-please-help-me-coatings.html

And...From this above thread:


You may have to ask AVI@CarPro, or Corey@CarProUSA for THE Definitive answer for CQuartz' Coatings on SS.


:)

Bob
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1953hogan said:
I thought it would be interesting to start a thread to see which way this community is trending.

I've been using polymer sealants on my vehicles (UPGP, BF Crystal Seal, etc.). Just the other day my first bottle of Reload arrived, and it got me thinking...

Do you like the polymers...Optiseal, UPGP, Crystal Seal, etc.

Or do you like the ceramic coatings: Cquartz, new Pinnacle Black Label, etc.

What are your thoughts and what is your reasoning?

Thanks much!

Steve
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Optimum (chemistry) FTW!

Dr. G said:
Avi,

I respectfully disagree with your comments. Opti-Coat (2.0) is a clearcoat automotive paint and does not wear off over time like a wax/sealant/nano sealant/nano coating. Therefore, when using car wash soaps, Dawn detergent, IPA, or Prepsol, there is no change in the film thickness of Opti-Coat (2.0) a year later or 5 years later. Just like automotive paint, you need to reapply Opti-Coat (2.0) only if it is removed by polishing, wet sanding, or using paint removers.

Waxes/sealants/nano sealants/nano coatings need to be reapplied since they wear off over time and at best they last a couple of years. However, as the film thickness of temporary coatings diminishes over time, so does the protection they offer. Unlike temporary coatings, once Opti-Coat (2.0) is applied to a surface, it does not wear off and the film thickness does not change over time and neither does its protection. There is no need to reapply Opti-Coat (2.0) unless it is removed intentionally by polishing, sanding, etc. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance or if you need further clarification regarding our "pure marketing".

Regards,
David
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I want to try products like Polish Angel, Car Pro, and others. But OPT products gives me what I'm looking for. No need for me to look any further IMHO.
 
Mikas46 said:
Polymers is 2008,

sealant 2009-10

and coating is the future you want it or not,
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Interesting year(s)...that each of the above types of LSP seem to have conveniently fallen into.


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Bob
 
Coatings...Every time. They are just superior in every way. I use Modesta, GTechniq, and Cquartz. Amazing.
 
Check the website, they have a center in Maryland, but at more than 200 a car to me,that is a little much!
 
I think it depends on your situation. For example, when I have a car at college, I will probably put cquartz on the paint, dlux on the trim, and Tufshine on the tires simply because I won't have access to water or as much time to maintain it, so with coatings I feel the car will stay cleaner longer and I will feel more comfortable doing waterless washes on it as coatings tend to be more scratch resistant.
 
on the topic of silica products. Polishangel Carnauba Flake waxes contain silica & titanium along with the carnauba flakes... interesting combination of ingredients.
 
I'm starting to lean towards coatings for our personal vehicles. Reason being is that its getting harder and harder for me to have time to actually detail them. I like the protection of coatings and how much cleaner they keep the paint, or appear to at least. While the shine and gloss for some of them may not be the best compared to some waxes or sealants, I can easily top the coatings after a wash with something like WGDGLS or CarPro Hydro2 if I what some more shine and gloss. If I have an open weekend, I can bust out the Fuzion or something similar if want the pleasure from waxing something. I don't really care if the topper doesn't last long on top of coating. If I only notice the difference in appearance for about a week, than that's fine with me because the car is just going to be dirty again in short time frame anyway.

It's not that I hate waxes or sealants anymore, I'm still buying more of them, its just that they aren't what's best for me or my vehicles right now in my life.
 
SYMAWD said:
I think it depends on your situation. For example, when I have a car at college, I will probably put cquartz on the paint, dlux on the trim, and Tufshine on the tires simply because I won't have access to water or as much time to maintain it, so with coatings I feel the car will stay cleaner longer and I will feel more comfortable doing waterless washes on it as coatings tend to be more scratch resistant.
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Good point, it's all in the situation or user preference. In your situation, coatings are the perfect option.

For anyone to say, one or the other (wax/sealant's vs coatings), with absolution is simply an opinion and not fact.
 
PrimeDetailNC said:
Coatings...Every time. They are just superior in every way. I use Modesta, GTechniq, and Cquartz. Amazing.
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Do you top your coatings just for the fun of it?

I currently have Element 119 on my daily driver, and it has been outstanding, but I do top it with Reload from time to time just because I like that slick feel. There is no reason to top it, believe me, it beads like crazy. I just like to do it.
 
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