Polish on MF cutting disk?

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In theory, to get some additional bite, could you use a lighter polish on an MF cutting pad? I'm working with hard paint, nothing major in terms of defects but want a bit more bite. Thanks!
 
Not used the way your mentioning, but read some input on M205 and Meg's MF cutting disc working wonders. It definitively worth a try.

Just keep in mind all care needed to work with MF discs, prime it properly, don't use too high speeds, keep pad clean, and sure, make your test spot.

Please, let us know what you achieved.

Kind Regards.
 
I've read numerous accounts of M205 and other polishes being used (sometimes to great effect) on foam cutting pads but can't say I've heard of anyone doing that with a microfiber cutting pad. Microfiber already has more bite than foam and while I don't use them myself, I imagine you'd have more problems with marring on softer paints.
 
I've tried some MF pads and while it worked ok, I got better results using the orange foam pads, MF just get full of product way to fast... And need cleaned out more....
 
I use only MF pads for cutting now. They have been saving me so much time. Still use foam to finish though.
 
BTLew81 said:
In theory, to get some additional bite, could you use a lighter polish on an MF cutting pad? I'm working with hard paint, nothing major in terms of defects but want a bit more bite. Thanks!
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Yes. The fibers might leave micro-marring but "yes" you can use a polish with a microfiber pad using the fibers as a form of abrasive to give the polish more bite.

See this article,


The Graphic Equalizer Analogy to Polishing Paint


The above article is also shared in my how-to book.


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Not a polish but I used fg400 on a bns cutting pad to remove these.
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Finished with d151.
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dooyaunastan said:
I've read numerous accounts of M205 and other polishes being used (sometimes to great effect) on foam cutting pads but can't say I've heard of anyone doing that with a microfiber cutting pad. Microfiber already has more bite than foam and while I don't use them myself, I imagine you'd have more problems with marring on softer paints.
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http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...on-opti-coat-anthony-s-auto-detailing-nj.html


M205 and MF cutting pad. Worked well based on results showed.

Also, if you search the web for 'Kevin Brown M205 microfiber cutting disc' (pick the first result), you may find a whole reasoning regarding all of that.

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...on-opti-coat-anthony-s-auto-detailing-nj.html


M205 and MF cutting pad. Worked well based on results showed.

Kind Regards.
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That was a two-step, M205+MF followed by OHP+tangerine pad. Without the OP here to clarify, I have to assume the 50/50 shots were after the second step, certainly the final product does not show what 205+MF alone can do. I'm not saying it won't work well, but need a different example or some clarification from Anthony to confirm.

I was contemplating the M205+MF combo for a 2008 GTI I'm doing on monday, so I am very interested.
 
I'm sorry, I'm Brazilian, and sometimes I may misunderstood what was written.

OP (of this thread, asked):
'could you use a lighter polish on an MF cutting pad?'


My answer:
'read some input on M205 and Meg's MF cutting disc working wonders'

Anthony answered to me on that thread (page 2):
'I am sourcing the link to Kevin Brown's method with M205 and MF disc, I will post it by tonight. It has replaced about 90% of my cutting work now...it really is amazing. You use a TON of discs and M205...but the time and effort saved easily make that worth it.'

I've saw more info regarding that, but couldn't find it easily. On the web you can find the Kevin Brown reasoning on this subject like I said.

Maybe my answer now to OP would be, you can, but it's likely you'll need a second step to finish down?

It's very common when cutting with microfiber. Meguiar's themselves made the whole DA system a 2-step approach in essence.

Again, sorry if I understood something wrong.

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
I'm sorry, I'm Brazilian, and sometimes I may misunderstood what was written.

OP (of this thread, asked):
'could you use a lighter polish on an MF cutting pad?'


My answer:
'read some input on M205 and Meg's MF cutting disc working wonders'

Anthony answered to me on that thread (page 2):
'I am sourcing the link to Kevin Brown's method with M205 and MF disc, I will post it by tonight. It has replaced about 90% of my cutting work now...it really is amazing. You use a TON of discs and M205...but the time and effort saved easily make that worth it.'

I've saw more info regarding that, but couldn't find it easily. On the web you can find the Kevin Brown reasoning on this subject like I said.

Maybe my answer now to OP would be, you can, but it's likely you'll need a second step to finish down?

It's very common when cutting with microfiber. Meguiar's themselves made the whole DA system a 2-step approach in essence.

Again, sorry if I understood something wrong.

Kind Regards.
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No worries...I've read plenty of your posts and you do an amazing job communicating in a second language. I, for one, am nowhere close to your level in a second language.

If you've personally had good results with 205+MF cutting pads, I'd love to hear more....as I said, I'm thinking this might be the winning combination on an up-coming GTI.
 
Thank you for kind words. I still recommend for you to take a look at Kevin Brown M205 and MF reasoning, it may give you all the background you need to (at least) do a test spot using this setup.

I was getting more proficiency in MF discs when I had my Meg's DA but I've sold it. On the Flex 3401 I couldn't see the advantage of using MF discs, for maximum cutting I may step to the foamed wool pad, and follow with the foam pads for the polishing and finishing steps.

The main use I'm doing with MF discs is pairing D301 wax on the Finishing Disc. I may work FG400 in LC 4" MF discs for spots, like I've showed here (picture from my PT Cruiser Thread):




I've just placed an order on a Rupes 21, and that may 'revive' the MF discs I still have. Too bad I must receive it only next week, so I will not be able to give you an opinion before your use.

Hope this may work for you, and I appreciate getting an update on your outcome.

Good luck on the GTI,

Kind Regards.
 
OK, so I tried M205 on a megs 6" MF cutting disc today on a 2008 VW GTI in metallic black.

It removed 90%+ of the shallow defects and minimized most RIDS. The finish was very good, but left a little haze visible on the black, probably would have been fine on any other color.

The only issue was with pad cleaning. I normally can use two MF pads on a car that size. I use a brush and compressed air after each section and after a couple panels it goes to the pad washer and I switch to the second pad and repeat the process, then go back to the first pad.

With M205, the pad was getting loaded with product way faster and needed to go to the pad washer after 2 sections.

So it is a great combo, but based on this experience, you'll want to have at least 4 MF cutting pads in the rotation; and you'll end up using more product priming pads more frequently.

Here's a before and after on the roof

Before - a lot of marring and one deep scratch right in the middle of the photo.


After - you can see a little haze from the halo around the LED ceiling light. RID is gone.
 
I believe you did a very good job.

Also, thanks for sharing your outcome. It's hard to see the haze you're relating, from here, but the overall improvement is very noticeable.

Had you tried to do some M205 on foam finishing pad after that?

Very well done,

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
I believe you did a very good job.

Also, thanks for sharing your outcome. It's hard to see the haze you're relating, from here, but the overall improvement is very noticeable.

Had you tried to do some M205 on foam finishing pad after that?

Very well done,

Kind Regards.
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Thanks, I was really surprised at the results. I did a second test spot using a 3" foam cutting pad and needed FG400 to get the same correction with a little more haze. Only fair to note, the 6" was on a rupes 21 clone, the 3" was on a griots DA.

The haze did not photograph well. I can only see it around the reflection of the light bulb. It was more obvious when I checked the test spot with the sun.

I did not try M205 on a finishing pad, I went with Menz SF4500 on a black CCS pad with a rotary, cleaned it up in just a couple passes. The car will get it's own write-up eventually. The owner is a photographer and shot a ton of before and afters, but I'll probably have to wait a while for them to be processed.
 
Nice to hear, very interesting refinement you chose with SF4500, congratulations on your approach.

If you eventually place a write up on this, please, let me know via MP so I can follow the thread.

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
Nice to hear, very interesting refinement you chose with SF4500, congratulations on your approach.

If you eventually place a write up on this, please, let me know via MP so I can follow the thread.

Kind Regards.
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Since there was very little to refine, and since I knew the owner was going to be taking a lot of very high quality photos after, I treated it like a very very quick jeweling - I am a firm believer in using a rotary for jeweling; any other finishing I do is on a DA.
 
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