I guess you can't take anything for granted. It's a lesson to us all, whenever using any kind of machinery, your focus has to be constant. Constantly checking to see and hear anything out of the ordinary. This is a tough one. However, it could have been worse. It could have been the hood. The bumper repair is much more simpler than a hood.
Polishing "Fun"
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Truls
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Surfer said:
I know that, but if it went loose (if that is possible), it would still spinn innside the pad, then it would heat up the innside of the pad, and start to melt on the innside. He said he smelt "burnt" pad, but it wasnt noticable on the pad. see innside.
Speed 6 its fastest on the PC, and if you put some presure on it, and the sap (or something) made the pad stand still, something will brake, either the pad or the PC. its ment to move around and sideways (unless its a clutch system in the PC) You cant always see the pad moves around, i noticed that when i used it. if it stops spinning, you dont polish anymore, it just goes back and forth, more like hard rubbing on the paint.
Am i way of here?
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looks like a donut!!!badblzr2 said:My bad, got sidetracked.
Allow me to explain.. the above pic is the after. The before was a nice, uniformly painted bumper. Cause: me and this:
Not even a rotary... just me and a PC.
I was attempting to remove some particularly stubborn residue/sap/ I don't know what. It was hard as a rock. Aggressive clay, wd40, aio, fp2... couldn't touch it. Out came the edge orange and the OC. And this is the result. I guess I should be excited, I got the reside off, but... I seem to be in need of some paint work now. This was last week.... its taken me this long to come to terms with what I've done.
To answer quesitons perhaps before they come in... the pad was level on the top of the bumper, about 15-20 lbs of pressure (normal for me, never any problems before). I noticed the residue start to come off, and then took a few more passes, and on the las tone, noticed that there was white/gray under the pad instead of shiny black. Picked up the machine, looked at the pad and smelled burning foam. The foam apparently got depressed (I don't know how with the amount of pressure I had on there) to the adapter which burned it, and then the plate in the middle took off some paint. At least, this is the best I can I figure out.
So... I'm thinking nice little mix of user error, perhaps a defective pad, and some bad luck. The pad was as pliable as a mf applicator when I went about inspecting it after the mishap (after breaking a lot of stuff around the garage)....
I'm not saying don't buy edge.. I'm not saying edge makes bad products. I'm saying be carefull with edge pads around corners.
I'm here to help you learn by making the costly mistakes for you, so you don't have to.
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Hi Guys,
Wow badblzr2, I am really sorry to hear about your problem. A few things I will try to shed some light on. First is that the adapter cannot hit. It is below even the surface of the plastic disc inside which is itself covered with foam and even when pressed with all your weight will still have some thickness. If you presses so hard that the foam was not able to move but the pad and plate inside were being forced by the machine motor to move you may have forced the foam to tear and possibly exposed the plate a bit. In this case however the plate is designed out of a very special plastic that disintegrates under any friction and will only leave a scuff not even a scratch in the paint the can usually we wiped of, but if heavier will buff out very easily. I would like to speak with your more in person to discuss what actually happened so we can find out exactly what and why. Believe me if it a pad defect which caused this in any way we will make good on it! I look forward to hearing from you.
Aaron Krause (President & CEO)
Dedication To Detail, Inc.
777 Henderson Blvd.
Suites # 1 & 2
Folcroft, PA 19032
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Wow badblzr2, I am really sorry to hear about your problem. A few things I will try to shed some light on. First is that the adapter cannot hit. It is below even the surface of the plastic disc inside which is itself covered with foam and even when pressed with all your weight will still have some thickness. If you presses so hard that the foam was not able to move but the pad and plate inside were being forced by the machine motor to move you may have forced the foam to tear and possibly exposed the plate a bit. In this case however the plate is designed out of a very special plastic that disintegrates under any friction and will only leave a scuff not even a scratch in the paint the can usually we wiped of, but if heavier will buff out very easily. I would like to speak with your more in person to discuss what actually happened so we can find out exactly what and why. Believe me if it a pad defect which caused this in any way we will make good on it! I look forward to hearing from you.
Aaron Krause (President & CEO)
Dedication To Detail, Inc.
777 Henderson Blvd.
Suites # 1 & 2
Folcroft, PA 19032
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Phone: (610) 583-4883
Fax: (610) 583-4885
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.edgepads.com
GearHead_1
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Obviously all hind sight vision is 20/20 and the last thing you need is a bunch of people pointing their fingers at you. That said, there are a couple of things worthy of note that perhaps I would do differently. The Orange Edge pad has a pretty decent amount of bite to it, using it with anything other than a mild compound has the potential to put a pretty good cut to the paint depending upon how the PC is used.
You often see it said that the PC can't damage your paint. Though its margin for error is much greater than that of a rotary it can do damage. As has already been mentioned plastic bumpers paint shouldn't be treated like the paint on the rest of your car. I have used a PC on them but always use a finish pad and a light compound like PoorBoys#1 or something comparable.
It's pretty easy to be the guy that sits back and arm chairs a cause for this problem but I wonder if perhaps the sap got warm and pulled paint and perhaps was the cause of the tear in the pad. When working a PC in a small area with the Edge system it can generate heat particularly in the center. The adapter can get pretty warm. I'm wondering if this may not have been the case here.
The last point I would make and I'm sure you'll find many who disagree with this philosophy but I believe that the PC being used on speed 6 should be limited to brief periods. When I feel that this speed is necessary to correct a problem I usually step up to a rotary machine to get the work done. I'm someone who doesn't like to see any machine (hair dryer, blower fan in a car, etc.) run flat out for extended periods of time. I believe that in this case it probably wasn't a good idea to run it that high on a plastic bumper considering the nature of the bumper and the thickness of the paint. I've noticed that with my PC's (2) regardless of pad manufacturer that the amount of vibration in the PC is dramatically increased on speed 6. I know that others run theirs on 6 all day long without problem but I don't feel like it's a good idea. When I get into a situation that requires the use of say a PoorBoys #3 compound or a condition that requires running the PC for an extended period of time on speed #6 I suck it up and move to a rotary machine.
I'm sorry to see that you've had this problem. The only bright side is that it isn't too hard to have a bumper only painted.
You often see it said that the PC can't damage your paint. Though its margin for error is much greater than that of a rotary it can do damage. As has already been mentioned plastic bumpers paint shouldn't be treated like the paint on the rest of your car. I have used a PC on them but always use a finish pad and a light compound like PoorBoys#1 or something comparable.
It's pretty easy to be the guy that sits back and arm chairs a cause for this problem but I wonder if perhaps the sap got warm and pulled paint and perhaps was the cause of the tear in the pad. When working a PC in a small area with the Edge system it can generate heat particularly in the center. The adapter can get pretty warm. I'm wondering if this may not have been the case here.
The last point I would make and I'm sure you'll find many who disagree with this philosophy but I believe that the PC being used on speed 6 should be limited to brief periods. When I feel that this speed is necessary to correct a problem I usually step up to a rotary machine to get the work done. I'm someone who doesn't like to see any machine (hair dryer, blower fan in a car, etc.) run flat out for extended periods of time. I believe that in this case it probably wasn't a good idea to run it that high on a plastic bumper considering the nature of the bumper and the thickness of the paint. I've noticed that with my PC's (2) regardless of pad manufacturer that the amount of vibration in the PC is dramatically increased on speed 6. I know that others run theirs on 6 all day long without problem but I don't feel like it's a good idea. When I get into a situation that requires the use of say a PoorBoys #3 compound or a condition that requires running the PC for an extended period of time on speed #6 I suck it up and move to a rotary machine.
I'm sorry to see that you've had this problem. The only bright side is that it isn't too hard to have a bumper only painted.
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Let me address a few comments here. First up, the residue/sap/whatever. It was sap-esque.. it wasn't sap. I had used PB's new PwS two days prior and left it in the garage while I went out of town. There is a chance some of that was left on the paint, but again, it shouldn't have been hard to wipe off. I topped that with AJT, again, not hard to wipe off. I will admit that I have absolutely no idea what it was on the paint. It was clear, about the thickness of a marker's "line" and about 3-4 inches. As you can see, the missing paint is a much larger piece.
The residue was beginning to come off, so I took one or two more quick passes. I was moving it relatively fast, perhaps 4 inches per second as I wasn't trying to remove defects. This is when the problem occurred. I need to examine the pad and the area more carefully in some better light, but I am almost *certain that the adapter got onto the paint *somehow*. Here again, I realize that its designed to not be able to do that, that's just how I believe it happened. I will take a closer look tomorrow evening. I'll try to get some better pics of the bumper.
Aaron, I will be in touch with you either tomorrow or early next week so I can try to explain a bit more what's going on. Thank you for your attention to this. Again, I did post this to deter users from purchasing/ using your pads, only to present my problem so other's wouldn't encounter the same thing.
On a better note, this is another shot after PB's PwS and AJT. After the little fiasco, I took a few days break from the car and added a coat of #16 followed by Souveran. No shots of that. I realize my photography skills are almost as lacking as my supposed polishing skills.
The residue was beginning to come off, so I took one or two more quick passes. I was moving it relatively fast, perhaps 4 inches per second as I wasn't trying to remove defects. This is when the problem occurred. I need to examine the pad and the area more carefully in some better light, but I am almost *certain that the adapter got onto the paint *somehow*. Here again, I realize that its designed to not be able to do that, that's just how I believe it happened. I will take a closer look tomorrow evening. I'll try to get some better pics of the bumper.
Aaron, I will be in touch with you either tomorrow or early next week so I can try to explain a bit more what's going on. Thank you for your attention to this. Again, I did post this to deter users from purchasing/ using your pads, only to present my problem so other's wouldn't encounter the same thing.
On a better note, this is another shot after PB's PwS and AJT. After the little fiasco, I took a few days break from the car and added a coat of #16 followed by Souveran. No shots of that. I realize my photography skills are almost as lacking as my supposed polishing skills.
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badblzr2 said:
I think you'll find when you take a closer look that it's not possible for the adapter to hit the paint as it is recessed into the plastic plate. However, I'm sure you could hit the plastic plate against the car if you tear away enough of the foam. Aaron did say the plastic plate is designed to disintegrate under friction. So, I guess if you leave the plate hitting the paint long enough it could disintegrate to the point where the adapter is hitting. However, I would assume you would notice the plate was hitting long before that could happen.
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badblzr2 said:
I am not sure I am reading this right.
I hope at this point you don't totally blame the pad and us for the problem. I know we will do whatever it takes to get to the bottom of this and help you resove the problem whether pad or operator related.
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The Edge said:I am not sure I am reading this right.
I hope at this point you don't totally blame the pad and us for the problem. I know we will do whatever it takes to get to the bottom of this and help you resove the problem whether pad or operator related.
I saw this post too but assumed the word "not" was left out of the sentence having read the balance of the thought.
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GearHead_1 said:
Wow, I absolutely meant "did not." That'll teach me to read over my posts before I click submit reply.
At no point did I think the pad/ adapter/ system was completely to blame for the results. I am fully aware ( and super embaressed about it too) that there was some degree of user error here.
Again, did NOT post to deter others from any Edge products. I am a huge fan of all things Edge (4 inch pads??? c'mon..)
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Update: Tried to replicate the result again both on another car and on the bumper yesterday. Despite my best efforts, with a huge amount of pressure, I couldn't remove quite the amount of paint I did as before. The other side of the orange pad remained intact as well.
After a few conversations with Aaron from Edge, we agreed that blame was particularly hard to place in this incident. User error is the presumed main culprit on both ends, but Edge's dedication to customer satisfaction prompted them to pay for half of my repair bill , no questions asked. That's right, Aaron just asked me to email the quote and he sent me a check within a week. I'm extremely grateful for Aaron talking me through this difficult time in my detailing life.
I still have full confidence in the Edge system and will contiue to use the pads. In fact, I decided to pretty up the ride before it went into the body shop... The 6 received:
ONR wash with Monster Fluffies.
Dry with Monster Fluffies and DG FC&S.
Pinnacle Souveran with White Edge pad.
Removed with Cobra Indigo.
Crystal Mist (old version, which I love) with Monster Fluffy.
Wells wtih AA.
Tires with Meg's Endurance.
Here she sits before leaving for body shop. Just a bit of micromarring present.. last polished in May.
After a few conversations with Aaron from Edge, we agreed that blame was particularly hard to place in this incident. User error is the presumed main culprit on both ends, but Edge's dedication to customer satisfaction prompted them to pay for half of my repair bill , no questions asked. That's right, Aaron just asked me to email the quote and he sent me a check within a week. I'm extremely grateful for Aaron talking me through this difficult time in my detailing life.
I still have full confidence in the Edge system and will contiue to use the pads. In fact, I decided to pretty up the ride before it went into the body shop... The 6 received:
ONR wash with Monster Fluffies.
Dry with Monster Fluffies and DG FC&S.
Pinnacle Souveran with White Edge pad.
Removed with Cobra Indigo.
Crystal Mist (old version, which I love) with Monster Fluffy.
Wells wtih AA.
Tires with Meg's Endurance.
Here she sits before leaving for body shop. Just a bit of micromarring present.. last polished in May.
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I am just going to be honest, and i know this is old. But i was tottally not going to buy edge pads after reading a few articles but after seeing how they stand behind their products im about 90% sure its what ill be purchasing tomarorw.
