Poorboy black hole before wdgps...?

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Hi,
After many hours pass on the forum...
I read , some sealant does not stick well after glaze application.

Wolfgang sealant is ok for the step after the poorboy black hole?

Because i want the filler in this glaze , and whit the sealant, i want to lock the gaze hunder, for more longevity of the filling of the swirl.

Im new in detailling and i never use swirl remover , i don't want to made a error on my car.

Thanks

Simon
 
Welcome to autogeek as for your question you can lay down a coat of poorboys black hole before you apply a coat of sealant but note that your sealant wont bond to the paint but to the glaze therefore you may see a early degeneration of your sealant cause a glaze last only about a week or so
 
According to the below AGO flow-chart:
It's optional if you want to apply a Glaze
before applying a Sealant or a Wax.

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Bob
 
I wouldn't put glaze before sealant.
 
jamesboyy said:
Welcome to autogeek as for your question you can lay down a coat of poorboys black hole before you apply a coat of sealant but note that your sealant wont bond to the paint but to the glaze therefore you may see a early degeneration of your sealant cause a glaze last only about a week or so
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I don't know if this in true in all cases. I used Black Hole topped with Collinite 845 and not only did I get over six months of protection from the 845, but the Black Hole held up well for most of that time as well.

There are glazes from other vendors like Prima Amigo, or Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish which are designed to work with the sealants from their respective company (or even other similar products) with no issues. I'm pretty sure if you used Black Hole with one of the Poorboy Selants like EX or EX-P you'd probably get great results as well.
 
Depends on the type of glaze. Oil based glaze go under carnuaba wax and arcylic based glazes under sealants.

Black hole I believe is oil based and if so WG sealant will not bond well with it.
 
wytstang said:
Depends on the type of glaze.

Oil based glaze go under carnuaba wax and

arcylic based glazes under sealants.
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Interesting generalizations.

I wonder, though:
•If the Sealant is not "acrylic-based"...does this still hold true?
•How/From what: Are acrylic (a plastic) resins manufactured?
•Does "acrylic-based" mean it's the binder, emulsion,
or carrier in the Sealant's formula?


Bob
 
wytstang said:
Black hole I believe is oil based and if so WG sealant will not bond well with it.
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I believe paint cleaners (example WG PPE) is likely oil based not acrylic and that is intended to be under WG Sealant if you do not wipe it away.
 
A lot of glazes go under sealants without a problem. Maybe durability is a little less, but won't be a month less...
and it won't bond to a glaze. Normally you get a mix of glaze+ sealant and this mix bonds to the paint, wich could be a less powerfull bind then a pure sealant
 
Nick once recommended I use Pinnacle Liquid Souverean over PB black hole. It worked good. I also know Wolfgang last a little longer than the Pinnacle. But will it over black hole?

I am always searching for the longest lasting sealant or wax or combination to use over a glaze like Poor Boys. I would like some more feedback from Mike or Nick on this. I hope they read this post.
 
Would I need to do an IPA wipedown after applying BH, if I wanted to apply a sealant like WGDG?
 
JHL88 said:
after the sealant, before the wax.
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No reason why you can't put it under the sealant. Should work just fine. It was designed to go under Poorboy's EX-P. I've used it under 845 with no ill effects too. Another example is Prima Amigo. They specifically say that product can be used under sealants.

tersplat said:
Would I need to do an IPA wipedown after applying BH, if I wanted to apply a sealant like WGDG?
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No. I'd think the IPA or similar product would actually remove the BH. Once you put down the BH, go straight to your sealant. Unlike Meg's #7, there is nothing oily about BH.
 
2shiny said:
A lot of glazes go under sealants without a problem. Maybe durability is a little less, but won't be a month less...
and it won't bond to a glaze. Normally you get a mix of glaze+ sealant and this mix bonds to the paint, wich could be a less powerfull bind then a pure sealant
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Interesting explanation

Where did you get the information on the glaze Ns sealant mixing?

Where dis you get the information on bonding strength of sealant with and without a glaze under it?

Where did you get the information, that sealant won't "bond" to a car that has been glazed? What is the result of this lack of bonding? Does it fall off onto the garage floor or is it removed by washing?

If the sealant won't bond to the paint when applied after glaze...why will "the mix" of sealant and glaze bond?

Interesting
 
Nick also recommended to me to use Pinnacle Liquid Souverean over PB Black Hole. I use Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion first then apply the Black Hole then Liquid Souverean. I then top with a coat of Natty's Blue. The last time I used Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 over the Black Hole. It worked well too, I could not tell much difference. I then topped with Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax. The car looked great. I determined that either Wolfgang or Souveran works good over Black Hole. I like Wolfgang, Pinnacle and Poor Boys products. So I interchange them looking for the best results.
 
FUNX725 said:
Just curious:
When, if ever, would you put a Glaze on a vehicle?
TIA.

Bob
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IMO it's ether a glaze or a sealant and not both. Here's why.

If you put a glaze on before sealant remember that glazes have oils and fillers and therefore hinder the bonding of a sealant. If you use a sealant and then a glaze remember that a some glazes have a very, very mild particle content. Not that glazes do any correction work but they can have some ever so sight cleaning ability and therefore will polish away any sealants applied. If you use a glaze don't expect any protection and apply a wax after. If you use sealant not only do you protect the surface but you can also apply a wax for more color depth and addition protection.

Just my .02.
 
runrun411 said:
If you put a glaze on before sealant remember that glazes have oils and fillers and therefore hinder the bonding of a sealant.
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Last fall I used Black Hole under 845. The appearance of the BH was very noticable for at least 5 months. The 845 was still beading six months later. Whether the 845 bonded to the Black Hole or created a swill that bonded to the paint I can't say, but I do know the glaze had no effect on the durability of the wax. Something was bonding somewhere, because I would not have made it through last winter if it hadn't.

I don't think all the glazes are oily like Meg's #7. BH and Amigo are not, and both are both designed to be used with LSP's from their manufacturers. Blackfire's glaze makes similar assertions as well. Amigo goes so far to say you can hit it with any LSP.
 
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