Porter Cable 7424xp backing plate?

[hyu]

I ordered the Porter Cable 7424xp and I think it came with a 5" backing plate. The pads that I got were 3 Course green pads and 2 Oranges at 6.5".

It barely seems like I'm putting a dent on the clear with the micromarring and swirls on my Dodge Neon Srt4. I tried on the Hood. Which is a pita I discovered because of the hood scoop and the contours. Also allot of dust is created from the outer edges of the larger pads. (Note: the car has been repainted with fresh silver and more silver flakes than oem a couple of years ago)

I don't want to give up on detailing plus I bought this set for my Christmas Present to myself. But slowly I've getting frustrated

I taped off half the hood and tried
First I started with the Orange 5.5" w/ swirl remover, then the white default pad with the polish finish, and finished with the red liquid souvern.

Now I am trying the green course pad 6.5" with swirl remover, the 5.5" orange pad for the finish" and the red as the liquid souveran

My questions are.
Should I buy smaller pads or buy a bigger backing plate?
Any recommendations on the M105 and M205?

I'd love to attend the detailing class but I just got a new full time job + my current full time job so I don't know how my schedule looks =/


Yours Truly
-H.YU

 

[ROMEO]

I ordered the Porter Cable 7424xp and I think it came with a 5" backing plate. The pads that I got were 3 Course green pads and 2 Oranges at 6.5".

It barely seems like I'm putting a dent on the clear with the micromarring and swirls on my Dodge Neon Srt4. I tried on the Hood. Which is a pita I discovered because of the hood scoop and the contours. Also allot of dust is created from the outer edges of the larger pads. (Note: the car has been repainted with fresh silver and more silver flakes than oem a couple of years ago)

I don't want to give up on detailing plus I bought this set for my Christmas Present to myself. But slowly I've getting frustrated

I taped off half the hood and tried
First I started with the Orange 5.5" w/ swirl remover, then the white default pad with the polish finish, and finished with the red liquid souvern.

Now I am trying the green course pad 6.5" with swirl remover, the 5.5" orange pad for the finish" and the red as the liquid souveran

My questions are.
Should I buy smaller pads or buy a bigger backing plate?
Any recommendations on the M105 and M205?

I'd love to attend the detailing class but I just got a new full time job + my current full time job so I don't know how my schedule looks =/


Yours Truly
-H.YU

You say that you tried to use the default white pad, you mean the one that came with the PCXP? If that is the case, it seems to be a general rule that the first thing you do is toss that when you get the PCXP, so if you are having problem with that part, then that might be part of the problem.

THen you try the green coarse pad and finishing with orange, why?And also you moved to 6.5" on set of staying with the 5.5", The orange has more cutting power than the green, and normally you want to use the pad with the less cutting power for the finish polish.

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It seems most prefer to use 5.5" pads with the PCXP, and the 5" pad should be good for that size pad, personally I have no experience polishing with the PCXP since I got the 3401, and only use my PCXP to wax and seal.

 

[ANeat]

Hyu first I would stop at each stage to check the progress. How does it look after the first step. If the first step isnt agressive enough and no cleaning up to your satisfaction there is no need to continue on with the polish and wax.

Also, and take this from a new "detailer" still learning, that is easy to re-introduce the micro-maring in the middle of the process if youre not carefull.

Also I think youre orange pad (if were talking bout the same pads) is too coarse for the finish stage.
Here is the pad chart Im referencing Autogeek Buffing Pad Comparison Chart

 

[Dubbin1]

hyu did you ever get the PM I sent you?

A little background for everyone, in another thread he stated that he was scared to apply any pressure to the PC.

 

[Kurt_s]

I ordered the Porter Cable 7424xp and I think it came with a 5" backing plate. The pads that I got were 3 Course green pads and 2 Oranges at 6.5".

It barely seems like I'm putting a dent on the clear with the micromarring and swirls on my Dodge Neon Srt4. I tried on the Hood. Which is a pita I discovered because of the hood scoop and the contours. Also allot of dust is created from the outer edges of the larger pads. (Note: the car has been repainted with fresh silver and more silver flakes than oem a couple of years ago)

I don't want to give up on detailing plus I bought this set for my Christmas Present to myself. But slowly I've getting frustrated

I taped off half the hood and tried
First I started with the Orange 5.5" w/ swirl remover, then the white default pad with the polish finish, and finished with the red liquid souvern.

Now I am trying the green course pad 6.5" with swirl remover, the 5.5" orange pad for the finish" and the red as the liquid souveran

My questions are.
Should I buy smaller pads or buy a bigger backing plate?
Any recommendations on the M105 and M205?

I'd love to attend the detailing class but I just got a new full time job + my current full time job so I don't know how my schedule looks =/


Yours Truly
-H.YU

What TSR and polish are you using?

The 5" backing pad is fine for 5.5" and 6.5" pads.

The 5.5" orange will cut faster than the 6.5" coarse green. 5.5" pads are easier to keep spinning with pressure than a 6.5" pad.

Use the 5.5" orange pad with TSR.

The white pad that came with the PCXP is probably not something that you want to use for paint polishing. Most everyone leaves it in the box. You may have to use the coarse green pads to polish for now.

Get yourself some polishing pads (5.5" white are great. Blacks are often used for finish polishing but don't expect any cut. HT Tangerine is supposed to give you a little more cut than a white pad with a little finer finish. Most everyone seems to prefer the thin pads vs the thick HT pads. I like flat pads vs CCS pads. )

You need to determine if you can correct and polish the paint with the technique, pads and chemicals that you have now. Tape off a 18" x 18" square or smaller (hood is easiest) and try correction and polishing before going onto another section. Work on keeping 15-20 lbs of pad pressure on the paint during correction WHILE keeping the pad rotating when cutting. Review and practice Mike Ps video lessons and work in smaller sections if you are not getting results. Wait to try other methods until after you understand and master the basics.

Again what TSR and polish are you using? WG TSR is a nice mid-level polish with some cut to remove moderate and even heavier swirls with time and technique. Don't use too much chemical to correct properly. WG FG3.0 is a very nice polish and leaves a very nice gloss finish with a white pad.

M105 has a lot more cut but you can get Megs Ultimate Compound at local auto parts stores for not much money, cuts better than WG TSR, finishes with little to no marring with an orange pad (you will still polish) and is easier to use for a newbie. M205 would be an alternative to WG FG3.0 if what you are using is the Wolfgang product.

 

[hyu]

hyu did you ever get the PM I sent you?

A little background for everyone, in another thread he stated that he was scared to apply any pressure to the PC.

Yeah I got it. I was def applying 15-25lbs of pressure the whole time then started noticing the dust build on the other edge of my 6.5" foam pads.

I can do the outside edges of my hood fine and I see the removal of some swirls but once I start to move to the middle I get massive amounts of dust over the hood scoop area

I am using the Pinnacle advance swirl polish and Pinnacle finishing polish

 

[Kurt_s]

Yeah I got it. I was def applying 15-25lbs of pressure the whole time then started noticing the dust build on the other edge of my 6.5" foam pads.

I am using the Pinnacle advance swirl polish and Pinnacle finishing polish

To make your life easier with less dust.

Try keeping the compounds, TSR and polishes off the side of the pad.

The chemicals dry quickly on the side of the pad and dust when you brush against things like taped off emblems or your intake scoop.

You may be using too much product as well.

 

[Dubbin1]

I am using the Pinnacle advance swirl polish and Pinnacle finishing polish

That might just be your problem. Pick up some M105 or Megs Ultimate Compound and give it another go with the orange pad.

 

[DARK HORSE]

That might just be your problem. Pick up some M105 or Megs Ultimate Compound and give it another go with the orange pad.

:whs:
Chances are the swirl remover that you're using isn't aggressive enough. Also if you’re compounding with a PCxp it would be best to use 5.5"pads. Hydro Tech pads cut very well and finish very nicely. I would recommend using 105 or UC on a 5.5" cyan HT, set your PC to setting 6 and use sufficient pressure. Move the PC SLOWLY across the paint. Work in small sections (18"x18"). After several back and forth, up and down passes check your work. Wipe off the polish, then mist the paint with IPA and wipe gently with a high quality MF. Then finish up with m205 on a tangerine HT. Also be sure to make a mark with a sharpie on the backside of your backing plate, you can watch the mark to make sure that the pad is still spinning. You need to ensure that the pad keeps spinning. Also a very important thing to note; is be sure to prime your pad with the product that you are using prior compounding/polishing. Squirt some polish onto your pad and work it into every pore of the pad with your finger tips (all the way out to the perimeter of the pad). This should make a big difference. Good luck and keep us posted...

 

[ANeat]

Everyone kees saying go with 5.5 pads?? I have a PC ordered from one of the packages here on AG and they come with 6.5 pads?

Are they not offering the right combination?

 

[ROMEO]

Everyone kees saying go with 5.5 pads?? I have a PC ordered from one of the packages here on AG and they come with 6.5 pads?

Are they not offering the right combination?

Well, there are many, many combinations, so it all depends on what are you gonna work, what it looks like, and how much you want to do.

Also, if I remember correctly, if you want to get a kit with 5.5" on set of the 6.5" you can do that, you just have to give them a call.

 

[Kurt_s]

Everyone kees saying go with 5.5 pads?? I have a PC ordered from one of the packages here on AG and they come with 6.5 pads?

Are they not offering the right combination?

Call AG and see if they can get you into 5.5" pads if the kit has not shipped yet. The 6.5" pads will work but it takes more time and controlled technique to remove swirls and defects.

Like many here, I originally bought the 6.5" CCS pads with a package and have since moved to 5.5" flats. I have HT tangerine and cyan thin pads coming on Monday to see if they are even better than flats.

 

[Kurt_s]

:whs:
Chances are the swirl remover that you're using isn't aggressive enough. Also if you’re compounding with a PCxp it would be best to use 5.5"pads. Hydro Tech pads cut very well and finish very nicely. I would recommend using 105 or UC on a 5.5" cyan HT, set your PC to setting 6 and use sufficient pressure. Move the PC SLOWLY across the paint. Work in small sections (18"x18"). After several back and forth, up and down passes check your work. Wipe off the polish, then mist the paint with IPA and wipe gently with a high quality MF. Then finish up with m205 on a tangerine HT. Also be sure to make a mark with a sharpie on the backside of your backing plate, you can watch the mark to make sure that the pad is still spinning. You need to ensure that the pad keeps spinning. Also a very important thing to note; is be sure to prime your pad with the product that you are using prior compounding/polishing. Squirt some polish onto your pad and work it into every pore of the pad with your finger tips (all the way out to the perimeter of the pad). This should make a big difference. Good luck and keep us posted...

:iagree: :whs:

Hyu, Tad gives some really good tips to remember here. rops:

 

[hyu]

:whs:

Thanks for the great imput. I think I got use to the CCS cut and I've never tried the hydrotechs.

With the pinnacle twins set I received a 5.5" CCS Orange pad. ( I decided to give that a crack and wow what a difference) Its so much easier to control.

Cheap cellphone picture. Left side is done. (There was a random dimple in his paint and a RID I didn't try to remove on this '95 240sx).

Im considering ordering a new set of 5.5" Flat CCS

What do I do with the remaining 6.5" CCS? lol

 

[Kurt_s]

Thanks for the great imput. I think I got use to the CCS cut and I've never tried the hydrotechs.

With the pinnacle twins set I received a 5.5" CCS Orange pad. ( I decided to give that a crack and wow what a difference) Its so much easier to control.

Cheap cellphone picture. Left side is done. (There was a random dimple in his paint and a RID I didn't try to remove on this '95 240sx).

Im considering ordering a new set of 5.5" Flat CCS

What do I do with the remaining 6.5" CCS? lol

Use them as coasters? Give them away. Cut them up to apply dressings or make smaller pads for hand polishing?

 

[ROMEO]

Wont the grey, red and blue still work good for waxes and sealers???

 

[Kurt_s]

Wont the grey, red and blue still work good for waxes and sealers???

It's been a while but I thought that he only had coarse green and orange.

the 6.5" CCS pads work, they just take longer to correct with a PCXP. The gray, red and blue pads are quite usable but I personally don't plan to buy any more 6.5" pads for use with the PCXP. When I work on cars with lots of curves, the smaller pads are easier for me with the PCXP too. The larger red and gray pads might be nice on larger flat surface vehicles.