Power vs. Consumption - Why bigger isn't always better.

Thanks for posting an explanation of the improvements on the new machines. I like the car analogy, it is something that we are all familiar with.

When reading about the latest and greatest in a car magazine they will list horsepower and torque ratings, but just like you stated about power ratings these numbers can be misleading. In most cases HP and TQ will be listed as the output of the engine at the crank and not the power actually getting down to the wheels. If you were to dyno a car that was listed at 500hp at the crank expect to lose at least 50hp due to parasitic lose of belt driven accessories and the power it takes to turn all the moving parts.


I would be really curious to hear about some of the ways you guys were able to increase efficiency.
 
I've never used the Rupes only the G15 so I can't say anything bad about them. The one I hear everyone rave about is the ergonomics on the BOSS are way better than the Rupes. Why add more power which I understand some want and not change the ergonomics to make it more comfortable? I will say Rupes should add a lot better warranty for a $400 machine. My power tools take a lot more abuse than any DA would and have a 3 year warranty.
 
How could one measure a machine's output?

I would be really curious to be able to test this myself. I know all that matters in the end is perfect paint and how I thought the process of using the tool was (qualitative), but it's always interesting to be able to measure things quantifiably.

For me personally, I think either a large orbit machine or a Flex (3401 or PE-8) is next on my list.
 
AbileneAutoWerx said:
I've never used the Rupes only the G15 so I can't say anything bad about them. The one I hear everyone rave about is the ergonomics on the BOSS are way better than the Rupes. Why add more power which I understand some want and not change the ergonomics to make it more comfortable? I will say Rupes should add a lot better warranty for a $400 machine. My power tools take a lot more abuse than any DA would and have a 3 year warranty.
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The online world is not always the best representation of the market. Instead it is a sliver of a slice. RUPES worked with numerous detailers and surveyed many current owners. Our ergonomics were considered a strong point with the overwhelming majority of them.

However, like anything, some people will fit different designs better (this is true of anything).

That said there have been some upgrades to the ergonomics of the RUPES, namely the addition of a soft rubber grip under the handle (which is completely redesigned). Changing the front grip allowed us to fortify the front handle and make it much more resistant to impact as well as retain the original style our customers strongly prefer.
 
Todd@RUPES said:
The online world is not always the best representation of the market. Instead it is a sliver of a slice. RUPES worked with numerous detailers and surveyed many current owners. Our ergonomics were considered a strong point with the overwhelming majority of them.

However, like anything, some people will fit different designs better (this is true of anything).

That said there have been some upgrades to the ergonomics of the RUPES, namely the addition of a soft rubber grip under the handle (which is completely redesigned). Changing the front grip allowed us to fortify the front handle and make it much more resistant to impact as well as retain the original style our customers strongly prefer.
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:iagree:
And THIS is exactly why I love Rupes!
:xyxthumbs: Keep up the good work guys, I've got 3 of your polishers on my shelf and the army will continue to grow.
 
AbileneAutoWerx said:
I've never used the Rupes only the G15 so I can't say anything bad about them. The one I hear everyone rave about is the ergonomics on the BOSS are way better than the Rupes. Why add more power which I understand some want and not change the ergonomics to make it more comfortable? I will say Rupes should add a lot better warranty for a $400 machine. My power tools take a lot more abuse than any DA would and have a 3 year warranty.
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Totally agree with this post. For you Rupes Reps on here if you claim to have THE best buffer out there why not back it up with THE best warranty out there as well? For us who detail for a living it's not easy to dump $400 every time the damned buffer breaks. I go thru my Griots buffer about every year or so give or take a month or two. Easily run my main buffer 50+ hours a week and carry backup for when it dies. I stick to Griots because of their Lifetime Warranty no questions asked.

I'm willing to pay a little extra for a Rupes with Lifetime Warranty. Keep selling at lower price to weekend warrior but to us hard core Detailer's realize dumping $800+ to order two of your buffers at once (backup for not IF but WHEN it breaks) is not an easy pill to swallow. Work too damned hard to throw my money away just like the rest of you guys.

My debit card is ready and waiting by any means will swing by your booth at SEMA 2015 next week. Give us a better warranty is all WE are asking.

Tomato
DFW Luxury Auto Detailing
 
ElTomateDFW said:
Totally agree with this post. For you Rupes Reps on here if you claim to have THE best buffer out there why not back it up with THE best warranty out there as well? For us who detail for a living it's not easy to dump $400 every time the damned buffer breaks. I go thru my Griots buffer about every year or so give or take a month or two. Easily run my main buffer 50+ hours a week and carry backup for when it dies. I stick to Griots because of their Lifetime Warranty no questions asked.

I'm willing to pay a little extra for a Rupes with Lifetime Warranty. Keep selling at lower price to weekend warrior but to us hard core Detailer's realize dumping $800+ to order two of your buffers at once (backup for not IF but WHEN it breaks) is not an easy pill to swallow. Work too damned hard to throw my money away just like the rest of you guys.

My debit card is ready and waiting by any means will swing by your booth at SEMA 2015 next week. Give us a better warranty is all WE are asking.

Tomato
DFW Luxury Auto Detailing
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I kinda feel that Rupes sees a large majority of its customers as either body shops or "high end" detailers and if the machine just happens to crap out after a year either pay to hopefully get it repaired or buy a new one cause they've got their money's worth doing $1,000+ details. I think Griot's is selling more machines to "part timers" which won't use their machine near as much so figure there won't be near as many warranty claims. I'm not saying all are part timers so no one get offended. Take that into consideration along with them maybe being cheaper to assembly in China and you can give a lifetime warranty. I'm not saying Rupes should offer a lifetime like Griot's but 3 years would be acceptable. The lifetime is a great selling point for the BOSS though.
 
ElTomateDFW said:
Totally agree with this post. For you Rupes Reps on here if you claim to have THE best buffer out there why not back it up with THE best warranty out there as well? For us who detail for a living it's not easy to dump $400 every time the damned buffer breaks. I go thru my Griots buffer about every year or so give or take a month or two. Easily run my main buffer 50+ hours a week and carry backup for when it dies. I stick to Griots because of their Lifetime Warranty no questions asked.

I'm willing to pay a little extra for a Rupes with Lifetime Warranty. Keep selling at lower price to weekend warrior but to us hard core Detailer's realize dumping $800+ to order two of your buffers at once (backup for not IF but WHEN it breaks) is not an easy pill to swallow. Work too damned hard to throw my money away just like the rest of you guys.

My debit card is ready and waiting by any means will swing by your booth at SEMA 2015 next week. Give us a better warranty is all WE are asking.

Tomato
DFW Luxury Auto Detailing
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I hope you're charging enough. I'd get that $800+ on a one step correction alone.

Second, a quality tool usually only needs the brushes replaced. The Flex 3401 is supposedly one of the best built things since the Great Wall of China, but even its brushes eventually fail. You don't go buy a new Flex, you go by brushes.

If the tool is that much better, then the cost of brushes isn't that bad.
 
ElTomateDFW said:
Totally agree with this post. For you Rupes Reps on here if you claim to have THE best buffer out there why not back it up with THE best warranty out there as well? For us who detail for a living it's not easy to dump $400 every time the damned buffer breaks. I go thru my Griots buffer about every year or so give or take a month or two. Easily run my main buffer 50+ hours a week and carry backup for when it dies. I stick to Griots because of their Lifetime Warranty no questions asked.

I'm willing to pay a little extra for a Rupes with Lifetime Warranty. Keep selling at lower price to weekend warrior but to us hard core Detailer's realize dumping $800+ to order two of your buffers at once (backup for not IF but WHEN it breaks) is not an easy pill to swallow. Work too damned hard to throw my money away just like the rest of you guys.

My debit card is ready and waiting by any means will swing by your booth at SEMA 2015 next week. Give us a better warranty is all WE are asking.

Tomato
DFW Luxury Auto Detailing
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Did you have an opportunity to stop by the booth and test drive the Mark II?

I understand and agree with regarding a longer warranty and we are working on it currently. The problem is not our tools nor us standing behind them - anybody who knows Francesco G knows he will go out of his way to resolve any concerns. Now that we are done improving an already amazing design with the Mark II, and changing expectations on what a tool can do with the Nano, we will shift our focus to investigating longer warranty solutions.

:dblthumb2:
 
Todd@RUPES said:
Did you have an opportunity to stop by the booth and test drive the Mark II?

I understand and agree with regarding a longer warranty and we are working on it currently. The problem is not our tools nor us standing behind them - anybody who knows Francesco G knows he will go out of his way to resolve any concerns. Now that we are done improving an already amazing design with the Mark II, and changing expectations on what a tool can do with the Nano, we will shift our focus to investigating longer warranty solutions.

:dblthumb2:
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Professional response good job 👍
 
Todd@RUPES said:
Did you have an opportunity to stop by the booth and test drive the Mark II?

I understand and agree with regarding a longer warranty and we are working on it currently. The problem is not our tools nor us standing behind them - anybody who knows Francesco G knows he will go out of his way to resolve any concerns. Now that we are done improving an already amazing design with the Mark II, and changing expectations on what a tool can do with the Nano, we will shift our focus to investigating longer warranty solutions.

:dblthumb2:
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Todd

Thank u for replying and understanding with our concern for longer warranty request. Looking forward to how and if warranty is extended for your products. Will gladly give them a shot then and replace my current buffers for something better. In the end the results are all that matters to my most discerning clients and their very valuable car collections.

As for the SEMA booth no I didn't make it out there. Was in Vegas and planning on attending Friday but the traffic and parking mess kept me away. I've been there last few years so for me the excitement of it isn't quite there anymore.

Again thanks for your reply as its greatly appreciated.

As for the Rupes varsity cheerleading squad on here thx for the entertainment!! Got a good laugh out of that!!

👍👍🍅
 
Todd, is there any way you can give me insight regarding my previous post about measuring output?
 
Todd@RUPES said:
Did you have an opportunity to stop by the booth and test drive the Mark II?

I understand and agree with regarding a longer warranty and we are working on it currently. The problem is not our tools nor us standing behind them - anybody who knows Francesco G knows he will go out of his way to resolve any concerns. Now that we are done improving an already amazing design with the Mark II, and changing expectations on what a tool can do with the Nano, we will shift our focus to investigating longer warranty solutions.

:dblthumb2:
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can't say i agree with that IME...
 
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