Pre LSP step

AeroCleanse said:
It depends on what type of LSP you are going to use. While I love Lime Prime (lite) for use before a wax, I wouldn't use it before a sealant / coating.
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That's the thing that gets me with the Pre wax cleansers and paint prep wipe downs. Some polishes and/or don't need a wipe down such as prep all and some do.

I'm taking it the lime prime does need it since you previously stated it's quite oily?
 
Ryan R said:
That's the thing that gets me with the Pre wax cleansers and paint prep wipe downs. Some polishes and/or don't need a wipe down such as prep all and some do.

I'm taking it the lime prime does need it since you previously stated it's quite oily?
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If you are applying wax, do not do an IPA or similar wipe down. If your not going to be using a wax then don't use Lime Prime at all.
 
AeroCleanse said:
If you are applying wax, do not do an IPA or similar wipe down. If your not going to be using a wax then don't use Lime Prime at all.
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I don't understand the distinction being made here. The purpose of a wipe down is to clear the surface of any residual polishing oils or wax residue before applying the wax or sealant. This facillitates bonding to the paint surface. It also serves to remove anything that is hiding in swirls that make it appear that your paint has been corrected as opposed to the defects being filled in by residue. So regardless of the first product you are applying after your correction phase is a wax, glaze or a sealant you want to do a wipedown after polishing. Just so there is no confusion, if you do a sealant and then a wax as many people do, you don't do a wipedown once the sealant is applied, only before. Also, if you are going to use IPA as a wipedown, don't use more then a 10% soliution. There are far safer alternatives.
 
truckbutt said:
I don't understand the distinction being made here. The purpose of a wipe down is to clear the surface of any residual polishing oils or wax residue before applying the wax or sealant. This facillitates bonding to the paint surface. It also serves to remove anything that is hiding in swirls that make it appear that your paint has been corrected as opposed to the defects being filled in by residue. So regardless of the first product you are applying after your correction phase is a wax, glaze or a sealant you want to do a wipedown after polishing. Just so there is no confusion, if you do a sealant and then a wax as many people do, you don't do a wipedown once the sealant is applied, only before. Also, if you are going to use IPA as a wipedown, don't use more then a 10% soliution. There are far safer alternatives.
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The extra polishing oils in Lime Prime help the wax spread better and increase the depth.

You only need to do an IPA type wipe down if you need to check you removed all the defects when you use a polish with fillers in.
 
This is kind of an old thread and the OP has probably made his order but the subject is sure to come up again so I thought I'd offer my .02 on Griots Garage Pre-Wax Cleanser. I haven't used Klean Strip Prep All as it's apparently not sold in Cali and I haven't used Eraser either. I was going to use an 11% IPA wipedown but decided to give the Griots a try.
After polishing with Menz 85RD my paint didn't feel particularly oily and it looked clean. The Griots Pre-Wax Cleanser was a snap to use, mist on and wipe off, and it left the paint really clean with absolutely no oily feel to it at all and ready for sealant.
 
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Bunky said:
Right. The difference is the pre-wax cleaner is a spray and wipe while the paint prep has to be rinsed with water so depends on your process.
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:iagree:

You don't have to use much of the GG Pre-wax cleaner, and I highly recommend getting the sprayer with it. This stuff works great!!!
 
On a true glaze you don't wanna use a pre-cleaner because it has fillers for scratches which you will remove.

Pinnacle Lotion and Wolfgang Paintwork are products that will accept a sealer/wax without cleaning. They are essentially glazes.

I'm sure there a plenty of others that work fine without pre-cleaning prior to wax/sealant application
 
Before a sealant or wax I sometimes prefer a paint cleansing lotion. If I want to move faster I go with Carpro Eraser.

Before a coating I use Eraser. The griots prep is citrus oil based which will affect a coatings durability.

I'm not a fan of the long term hot chemical stripping products. To each their own.
 
Dear Friends

Earlier tonight, and before I ever saw this thread, I decided to wax/seal the roof of our new Odyssey with Ultima's Paint Guard Plus. It's the roof's second coat. (The previous coat was applied on November 12, and I used Elastrofoam prior to the first coat.) I washed the roof with Detailer's Pro Series waterless wash and dried it thoroughly.

So the Paint Guard Plus went on shortly after it was washed with waterless wash.

Was this a mistake?

Secondarily, I washed the van at a self-service car wash earlier today, and when I dried it, I remembered a tip someone offered here about misting a quick detailer onto the paint as I dried it off. I took this tip to heart and used Meguiar's Ultimate Quick Detailer. (This was applied approximately eight to ten hours ago.)

Then, after applying Paint Guard Plus to the van's roof, I decided to wax/seal the rest of the van with Paint Guard Plus since that stuff goes on so quickly.

So everything except our van's roof got a coat of Paint Guard Plus on top of Meguiar's Ultimate Quick Detailer. Was this a mistake?

Being an uneducated novice is aggravating and confusing. I appreciate your turning the light on for me!
 
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