Pro detailing newbie

Motogoon said:
correction Deep gloss not glaze. so is this much different than the finishing glaze? and how does eveything elese look? good? i also bought pinnacles pad cleaner and conditioner
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Ok, I understand your question now (I think).

1. Total Swirl Remover is for removing swirls and correct medium defects (nothing too deep).

2 Finishing Glaze is for light correction and removing marring that may be left by the Total Swirl remover.

3 Deep Gloss Paint Sealant is a sealant. It, well, seals the paint and will add gloss. It doesn't correct at all. It's used to protect the paint such as a wax would after you have removed the defects from the paint with 1 and 2. Waxes can be used on top of the DGPS to add to the look if you like wax but it's not recommended to use the sealant on top of wax since it will not bond to the paint this way. The sealant is optional and you can just wax after 1 and 2 but sealants tend to last longer than most wax. Sealants look different than wax, to me they look more "glossy" and have a bright shine, where a wax can have a "warm" look to it. It's all personal preference on the lsp.

If you use DGPS (3), or any sealant for that matter, you will want to give it time to cure. Most will cure within 24 hours, some less. I think DGPS is 12 hours. During this time you will not want to add wax or any other product over the sealant or get it wet, such as driving it in the rain, which will lessen the durability of the sealant since it hasn't had time to fully bond to the paint.
 
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You really want 1 and 2, but 3 is optional unless it's what you want to use as a LSP or as a sealant. There are many options for a LSP sealant, such as Blackfire Wet Diamond, DP Poli-Coat, Menzerna Power-Lock, Optimum Opti-Seal and on and on. Each will have a different look, application and removal method, etc.

The key is the word "Sealant", all of which are supposed to do the same thing, seal the paint. I have just used the Wolfgang DGPS for the first time this week and I really like it. I also have Blackfire Wet Diamond (haven't used it yet, but it's very popular here on the forum). Optimum Opti-Seal, Chemical Guys Black Light, and several others. I think the Blackfire is a cheaper product and is similar to the Wolfgang. It's really up to you on the sealant.

Keeping it simple is what I recommend for someone doing this for the first time and keeping it in the same brand is about as simple as it gets. One option is to get the free sample of Wolfgang DGPS which is a 2oz size. This is enough to do a standard size car easily (apply it thinly, let it sit for 45 minutes and then wipe it off). Then you can see how you like it and order the larger size on your next order.
 
so finishing glaze is a must your saying? the deep gloss is not as important as the glaze correct?
 
Well, the total swirl remover (TSR from now on) can make the finish look nice and for many it'll be all they need. But, the TSR can leave the paint "dull" or not as glossy as it could be (especially on soft paint) and the FG will get rid of any left over haze, or at least give they paint that extra bit of gloss the TSR can't give.

The polishing process, 1 and 2 from above, does nothing to protect your paint. It's the process of removing flaws. Once you get ride of the flaws you have to put something on the paint to protect (from bird dropping, water spot etching, acid rain, and so on). This is what sealant does, this is also what wax does. The DGPS is a protectant, like wax is a protectant. That's what I meant by the FG being optional. I don't mean a protectant is optional, you must use something after you finish the polishing process.

You don't have to use the FG. You can use any finishing polish, such as Menzerna PO85. But since the "twins" are a correction system, they work well together. You might skip the finishing polish all together, but you will get a better finish if you don't.

The name "finishing glaze" is misleading, I think it should be called finishing polish. I think it get's it name from the fact that it has fillers like most glazes have. Fillers fill in fine swirls and marring, so if your finish isn't perfect they will hide some of the defects. Auto body shops use glazes that are full of fillers to hide any imperfections in their work so when you pick up your car it looks good, only for their poor work to show up in a few months when the glaze wears off.
 
very imformative thank you so heres my final list already placed 2-3 orders so i can get a free sample with each i mean i did just drop 400.00 on chemicals :)
Here is the list what do you think:

-Griots DA
-Griots engine cleaner
-Griots glass polishing pads
-Griots detailers handbook (worth it? didnt place this order yet)
-Wolfgang deep gloss 3.0
-Wolfgang Twins (finishing glaze & swirl remover)
-Lake country Pads with new backplate so i can use the 5.5 pads
-Pinnicale pad cleaning kit (cleaner & conditioner)
-Scraperite plastic razors (seems like a great idea instead of metal)
-2 pack Grit Guards
-Megs 5.99 washmitt
-Dodo 2 pack Purple haze & velvet blue (blue car figured this will work pretty good)
-DP glass polish (BOGO)
-Lugnut scrubber tool (just what i needed always wondering how to clean inside those)
-Poorboys trim restorer

Wow 400.00 gone hope this makes me a better detailer god knows i am OCD with my car and i often wash in the winter with ice forming on my hands while washing (is that bad lol to wash in such cold conditions)
 
Motogoon said:
very imformative thank you so heres my final list already placed 2-3 orders so i can get a free sample with each i mean i did just drop 400.00 on chemicals :)
Here is the list what do you think:

-Griots DA
-Griots engine cleaner
-Griots glass polishing pads
-Griots detailers handbook (worth it? didnt place this order yet)
-Wolfgang deep gloss 3.0
-Wolfgang Twins (finishing glaze & swirl remover)
-Lake country Pads with new backplate so i can use the 5.5 pads
-Pinnicale pad cleaning kit (cleaner & conditioner)
-Scraperite plastic razors (seems like a great idea instead of metal)
-2 pack Grit Guards
-Megs 5.99 washmitt
-Dodo 2 pack Purple haze & velvet blue (blue car figured this will work pretty good)
-DP glass polish (BOGO)
-Lugnut scrubber tool (just what i needed always wondering how to clean inside those)
-Poorboys trim restorer

Wow 400.00 gone hope this makes me a better detailer god knows i am OCD with my car and i often wash in the winter with ice forming on my hands while washing (is that bad lol to wash in such cold conditions)
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When you say "Wolfgang Deep Gloss 3.0" I assume you are talking about Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant? There are other Wolfgang items with the term "deep gloss" in their name (Such as Deep Gloss Spritz Sealant). These are not the same product and the latter doesn't have the same longevity as the DGPS. I use the spritz sealant (DGSS) after a wash as a booster to my LSP.

The book is something I don't know much about. The polisher comes with a DVD which may contain the same info. It's going to be brand specific and since your not using Griot's pads or polishes it may get confusing. If I were to buy a book it would be Mike Phillips book (available at Autogeek) It'll be more generic as far as brands go and you can talk to the author here at the forum :xyxthumbs: I haven't bought it yet but plan on it, it gets rave reviews here at the forum.

Mike Phillips' The Art of Detailing Paperback Book

The Poorboys Trim Restorer is just that, good for black trim pieces on your car that have that faded look. It's not really a good tire dressing, it's rather oily and will be more prone to sling than the Bold n Bright tire shine. You may already know this but I thought I'd pass it on. I use the trim restore for the black running boards and black plastic mirrors on our daily driver 4-runner that sits out all the time and has some fading on these parts.

I don't have to worry about washing in weather that cold in Alabama. It gets cold but I know a warmer day will be had within the week, so I just wait a day or two if it's real cold outside. But some folks (sounds like you) don't get warmer windows that often and have to make do. I also know that products like ONR (rinceless wash products) are very popular in colder climates. I don't know if washing when it's this cold hurts the paint, I'll have to leave that to someone else.

Mike has a tone of articles in the "Ask the Expert" section of the forum. He knows more about making a car shine than I ever will. I'm just one of the many ocd folks here like yourself who can take any hobby and go overboard with it.

Link to Mikes articles: Ask the Expert featuring Mike Phillips - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum
 
yep thats all ill use it for im currently using SurfCity tire shine its been pretty good not sure if im in love yet. and as for the deep gloss yes the sealant. ill scrap the book what you said made sense. so with all that said how does that list look seem like im on the right path?
 
Looks like your set. Some of the stuff I haven't used, such as the glass polishing stuff, plastic razors and the wash mitt, but I'm sure they are fine.

Just remember to not use the DoDo wax until the sealant has had time to cure, at least 12 hours. I used the GG and a blue pad to apply the sealant. It takes very little to do a car, a thin coat is better than thick, and it'll be much easier to remove, not that it's hard anyway.
 
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