Protecting my new truck?

BLM said:
Not saying Dawn makes a good detailing product. However there are products that are dedicated for detailing that are basic chemicals and are grossly overpriced when labeled as detailing products.
An example of this is panel prep products. Many of them are mostly isopropyl alcohol with some other stuff trown in.
One needs to use common sense when using chemicals.
Dawn may not make an ideal decontamination product but i doubt one would do any harm if they used it for such. It has been used countless times as a car wash and dont think their paint fell off by using Dawn and it definitely cleaned things up. Many of us used it as teenagers for our go to car soap.
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I used to use Dawn (as part of prep for Zaino); I also used to use a single bucket with a giant synthetic sponge and dried with a chamois while listening to 70's rock. I ditched everything but the 70's rock and I think I'm better off.
 
Karl_in_Chicago said:
I used to use Dawn (as part of prep for Zaino); I also used to use a single bucket with a giant synthetic sponge and dried with a chamois while listening to 70's rock. I ditched everything but the 70's rock and I think I'm better off.
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LOL....been there done that.....I hope you used a gritty beach towel to remove the wax :ROFLMAO:
 
I think the problem with Dawn for some automotive uses is that 1) It's not strong enough for some tasks and 2)it's designed to sheet water off your dishes/glasses so as to not get water spots.

I submit, and I think has been proven through threads posted here years ago, that Dawn will "clog" your wax/sealant with the sheeting agents and kill your beading, making you think your LSP has been removed (hence its use as a "prep" wash, where instead of removing old wax/sealants, it was actually adding more contamination), and those same sheeting agents could interfere with coating application. Of course the prep wipe will likely remove the Dawn residue. See links below.

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Thread 'Sealant Test: PowerLock (+/-) BlackHole, Wolfgang DGPS, & BlackFire WD'

So, anyone following the little test I did before saw PowerLock is really tough. Basically, now, I taped off 4 sections of this mirror in a frame to test how tough BF WD, WG DGPS, and PL are against each other. The lower 1/2 of the PL strip has BlackHole under it to see how that affects resistance to cleaners. I want to see if this "toughness" is unique to PowerLock, and how they perform against the AutoGeek house brand sealants.

All sections were taped off strait (PL section also taped in half so lower half could get BH under the PL) and each sealant was applied with a different finger...

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Thread 'LSP stripping'

Hi Guys,

As many may know, I have been arguing about the ineffectiveness of supposed LSP stripping techniques. Here we have our basic WOWA sealant, water based and gives routine 3 month durability. It is about a month old. I have applied to it neat TFR, which is a highly alkaline degreaser (pH>13) with a number of surfactants. Here is what it looks like after a good wiping with a sponge soaked in the product and then a couple of buckets of water thrown over to rinse.

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OK - so there are no beads. If you look closely, you can see that most of the surface is wet with the...

Unfortunately it looks like the forum migration blew up the pictures from those threads.
 
BLM said:
Not saying Dawn makes a good detailing product. However there are products that are dedicated for detailing that are basic chemicals and are grossly overpriced when labeled as detailing products.
An example of this is panel prep products. Many of them are mostly isopropyl alcohol with some other stuff trown in.
One needs to use common sense when using chemicals.
Dawn may not make an ideal decontamination product but i doubt one would do any harm if they used it for such. It has been used countless times as a car wash and dont think their paint fell off by using Dawn and it definitely cleaned things up. Many of us used it as teenagers for our go to car soap.
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One of the things thrown in is lubricants. Not gonna get that from an IPA mix and you are wiping bare paint. Ive tried IPA mix and like towel feel (and smell ) of eraser.


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Coatingsarecrack said:
One of the things thrown in is lubricants. Not gonna get that from an IPA mix and you are wiping bare paint.
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I have never tried the following but was going to try when doing the next wipe down with alcohol/ distilled water mix.
Wonder if adding some ONR to the above mix would provide the needed lubtication?
 
BLM said:
I have never tried the following but was going to try when doing the next wipe down with alcohol/ distilled water mix.
Wonder if adding some ONR to the above mix would provide the needed lubtication?
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I’ve read ONR is Ok to use say if you polished then wanted to wipe down next day so maybe


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So my curiosity was peaked by comments about home brew ipa vs products such as Eraser. I found the video below where Jon goes into detail about panel wipes. In addition I found older threads on this site that it was stated that the ingredients in Eraser are water, alcohol, SLES and something to make it smell good which IMO adding a fragrance is anti preparation friendly.

My point is Eraser is ten times the cost of making your own ipa and is more than likely very close to the same thing. This video won't change the minds of Eraser users but I am satisfied with the information I have obtained. Home brew ipa vs store bought panel prep. To each there own.

 
I got into a little spat with one of the OPT reps on the OPT forum about doing headlight prep with IPA, they said I should be using the OPT paint prep, that IPA leaves residue, so I got all bent and went and looked at the SDS, and the OPT prep spray actually does NOT have IPA in it (I thought).

I just went back and looked, and it's 1-10% 2-propanol (which IS IPA), and 1-10% n-propanol, which is an isomer of IPA. (I guess I'd better go back to the OPT forum and ask them to explain why their prep is better than IPA when it has IPA in it). But of course the bottom line is it's 80-98% WATER, no fragrance, no lube (talking about the OPT prep)...hard to stomach paying $36/gallon for mostly water.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
hard to stomach paying $36/gallon for mostly water.
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Just like how most places sell premixed antifreeze. No thanks im not paying for half product and half water..duh ha ha

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opie2 said:
Just like how most places sell premixed antifreeze. No thanks im not paying for half product and half water..duh ha ha
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I never understood that one, either. Of course, the Honda factory antifreeze comes pre-mixed, which was kind of crazy when I first found that out.
 
Just recalled another use for Dawn / dish liquid that I use for detailing/ cleaning and just used it yesterday. My Tacoma has a cap and bed mat. The interior of the bed needs scrubbed/ washed every couple months. The entire bed, except for the tailgate is composite/ plastic.

I pull the bed mat out and lay it on the driveway. Then hose out the bed. After hoseing I put Dawn on a big brush on an extended handle and scrub out the interior bed and walls and scrub the bed mat. Rinse them again. Dry the interior of the bed with a big cotton bath towel from the rag bin and put the bed mat back.

Think Dawn works pretty well for this and while one could use car shampoo for this Dawn works also. I guess if I already had car shampoo mixed up for a wash I would just use that after I used it for an exterior wash. However sometimes I clean out the bed separate from washing the exterior.
 
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