Pump up Sprayer/Foamer Question

[oneheadlite]

So, as a cheap little science experiment I`m looking at modifying one of the $7 big box store pump up sprayers to be a foaming sprayer.

Does anyone know what pressure most of the sprayers safely pump up to? My goal isn`t to try and max it out, it would just be to make sure I don`t grenade the thing. Part of the modification I was thinking about doing was adding a stubby tire valve stem so I could pressurize it with a digital/regulated inflator. I saw a how-to online where a guy had his set to 3 bar (about 45 psi).

I figure even if the foaming mod doesn`t work, be nice to not have to pump it 7,000 times for the initial priming.

 

[xenonsupra]

So, as a cheap little science experiment I`m looking at modifying one of the $7 big box store pump up sprayers to be a foaming sprayer.

Does anyone know what pressure most of the sprayers safely pump up to? My goal isn`t to try and max it out, it would just be to make sure I don`t grenade the thing. Part of the modification I was thinking about doing was adding a stubby tire valve stem so I could pressurize it with a digital/regulated inflator. I saw a how-to online where a guy had his set to 3 bar (about 45 psi).

I figure even if the foaming mod doesn`t work, be nice to not have to pump it 7,000 times for the initial priming.

I have one of these coming today: IK sprayers

I think it auto releases pressure at 4 bar, so about 58 PSI. So assuming you could pump to 40-45 PSI you should be pretty good.

 

[oneheadlite]

Great info, thanks!

That's a lot larger capacity than the one I'll be modifying - I'l be doing one of the handheld approx 1L one. I'll poke around more and see if any of the higher quality small sprayers list a release pressure.

 

[Rsurfer]

Great info, thanks!

That's a lot larger capacity than the one I'll be modifying - I'l be doing one of the handheld approx 1L one. I'll poke around more and see if any of the higher quality small sprayers list a release pressure.

iK makes a 1.5 hand held for chemicals and for foam.

 

[oneheadlite]

iK makes a 1.5 hand held for chemicals and for foam.

I know, but that's $25-$40 plus shipping. I've already got a sprayer on hand, plus more time than money.

Update - found a small handheld sprayer that lists the pressure @ 25psi. Also found a $12.50 foaming 1.5L sprayer during my searching, but shipping adds $11...

I know - I'm cheap. I've already spent way too much on other detailing stuff.

 

[Rsurfer]

I know, but that's $25-$40 plus shipping. I've already got a sprayer on hand, plus more time than money.

Update - found a small handheld sprayer that lists the pressure @ 25psi. Also found a $12.50 foaming 1.5L sprayer during my searching, but shipping adds $11...

I know - I'm cheap. I've already spent way too much on other detailing stuff.

Will it foam like the iK foamers?

 

[Klasse Act]

Keep in mind there are 2 IK foamers, the IK Foam 9 and the IK 1.5. The price for the 1.5 is roughly $35.00 and the Foam 9 with a 1.3 gallon capacity is roughly anywhere from $80-$100, shop around. Its cool to make something and hopefully it works but that's the nice thing about IK and their line of products, all the work has been done for you, comes with a total of 3 tips and little filters that go inside the tip when you feel you need to change it up. I can attest to the quality of these sprayers, I have 2 1.5's and 1 Foam 9, makes detailing your car so much more fun and mobile as well, when need be!

 

[oneheadlite]

I 100% see where you're coming from.

The $12 online one? Not sure. But, the total with shipping does make it a why-bother option.

The homemade version? From what I've seen, it could. And if it doesn't, I put the original pick up straw back in it, undo the other stuff and I've still got a functional standard sprayer (now with cheater quick-pump connection).

Trying to make a homemade foamer is kinda like doing a test spot for paint correction - just playing with what I've got on hand and seeing what the results are before going out and buying a different compound/polish I may not have had to.

 

[Rsurfer]

Keep in mind there are 2 IK foamers, the IK Foam 9 and the IK 1.5. The price for the 1.5 is roughly $35.00 and the Foam 9 with a 1.3 gallon capacity is roughly anywhere from $80-$100, shop around. Its cool to make something and hopefully it works but that's the nice thing about IK and their line of products, all the work has been done for you, comes with a total of 3 tips and little filters that go inside the tip when you feel you need to change it up. I can attest to the quality of these sprayers, I have 2 1.5's and 1 Foam 9, makes detailing your car so much more fun and mobile as well, when need be!

Thanks for clarifying the two different 1.5 sprayers.

 

[392hemi]

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[Eldorado2k]

I have 2 Kwazar pump sprayers and the Last thing I want them to do is foam...

If I put Megs D143 Wheel & Tire Cleaner in either 1 of those sprayers it renders it nearly unusable because it foams like crazy and wastes a ton of product. Personally I didn’t find the foam very useful either ways.

From what I’ve gathered that Kwazar Foaming Sprayer isn’t as great as some initial reviews hyped it up to be. I’ve heard it also goes through a ton of product and has to constantly be pumped every few seconds.

 

[Rsurfer]

I have 2 Kwazar pump sprayers and the Last thing I want them to do is foam...

If I put Megs D143 Wheel & Tire Cleaner in either 1 of those sprayers it renders it nearly unusable because it foams like crazy and wastes a ton of product. Personally I didn’t find the foam very useful either ways.

From what I’ve gathered that Kwazar Foaming Sprayer isn’t as great as some initial reviews hyped it up to be. I’ve heard it also goes through a ton of product and has to constantly be pumped every few seconds.

Haven't found a hand held sprayer that didn't need pumping every few seconds.

Someone posted a Youtube vid of a guy that attached an electric pump to a hand sprayer and as home made as it may have looked, it worked.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Haven't found a hand held sprayer that didn't need pumping every few seconds.

Someone posted a Youtube vid of a guy that attached an electric pump to a hand sprayer and as home made as it may have looked, it worked.

When I waterless wash my Cadillac, the 1st pressure set sprays 1 entire side of the car for me to begin wiping down. From there I pump it again to do the other side, and only once more does the rest of the vehicle. [horizontal panels] It goes a long way.

Here’s my detailed review of the Kwazar 1.5L Pump Sprayer.

I received my Kwazar 1.5L Red Venus Sprayer

I decided to check and see if the Kwazars measurements on the side of the bottle were accurate.

I used this bottle to test it. 500ml.

500ml.

1.5L checks out good. It’s accurate.

Finally I tested how much it could spray on a single run before stopping to have to re pump... Here’s a ballpark average of what I got.

When completely full to the 1.5L mark it can spray for an avg. of 2:00min. and let out 450ml. and doesn’t begin going weak until 1:15sec. into the 2min. mark.

Then after re pumping it with 1L left in the sprayer [avg. 20-25 pumps] it’ll spray the entire remaining 950ml. without having to stop in a avg. of 3:30-4:00 min. and does it at full strength until about the 2:20sec. mark, and even after that it still maintains a respectable spray until it’s completely empty. That’s pretty impressive.

Those who said it can’t spray the entire side of a vehicle without stopping to re pump were wrong...

 

[oneheadlite]

Wanted to report back with my findings if anyone was curious - Took my pump up sprayer (56oz Flo Master, $6.62) I use at work for degreasing and added a stubby valve stem.

Their website lists 20-30 pumps to pressurize. I filled the fluid to the top line to have the least amount of air to compress. Did 30 pumps and checked the pressure - 40psi.

Since it`s just filled with water, I took my tire filler connected to our 130psi shop air and gave it a few very brief blips - 40psi. Do this at your own discretion, my filler can do a pretty light creep for air flow; and keep in mind for the price they make these things for I`m sure bomb proof quality wasn`t first on their design priority list.

I have a different model sprayer at home I`ll bring in, do the same thing, and report back. That sprayer is a better match for the videos online where people mod them to be foaming sprayers.

 

[VeloNYC]

No to hijack, I have 2 1.5 litter Kwazar Sprayers they don't retain pumped pressure and after 10 sec I have to pump again. Is there any other solution accept an electric pump mode? Don't tell me the fake reviews overhyped the product which is probably the case. It's nicely build very solid sprayer, but a flaw as obvious.

 

[SWETM]

No to hijack, I have 2 1.5 litter Kwazar Sprayers they don't retain pumped pressure and after 10 sec I have to pump again. Is there any other solution accept an electric pump mode? Don't tell me the fake reviews overhyped the product which is probably the case. It's nicely build very solid sprayer, but a flaw as obvious.

It can be that you have used a product or it's was that since you got it. But an O-ring or rubber seal could be damage don't know the english word for it LOL. Make a call or email the US distributor of Kwazar and ask if they have the repair kit of rubber seals for your version of pump sprayer. Is it a foaming sprayer a regualar pressure sprayer?

There is a huge difference in how the foaming sprayer and a regualar pressure sprayer works. When create the foam it needs air so a foam sprayer needs a lot of air to work. Hence the need of needing to pump up the air pressure more than the other ones.

And also when filling the bottles with your solution. Don't overfill them over the recommended level. Rather fill a little less of product around 3/4 or 2/3 of the recommended volume. That way even if you need a little more pumps to get the pressure up first. It will be working longer before re-pump it.

@oneheadlite
Try to find a pump sprayer or a valve that you mount the same way you do the air filling valve. That has a max pressure release and useally with plastic bottles it's around 40-45psi or 3bar. There are ones with higher pressure but those are often in some sort of steel. But have not seen a foaming system with that higher pressure bottles or tanks. The pressure is 6bar or 80-90 psi on those with some kind of steel tanks and they are bigger from 1.5 gallon and up in size. Be carefull when testing with air pressures cause even low pressure can hurt you if things goes wrong. And the chemicals used is almost every one not so good to get in the eyes. So safety glasses on

/ Tony

 

[Oz_TCH]

For a handheld sprayer that didn't need pumping every few seconds. How about this one ?

[video]https://media3.webcollage.net/8de216a361f0afa8fe91ff91147e1f1e5a5f3fb6?response-content-type=video%2Fmp4&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIIE5CHZ4PRWSLYKQ&Expires=1893482822&Signature=%2FhVQOTtd0wh7UJKswdqW7eBOQq4%3D[/video]

 

[Eldorado2k]

For a handheld sprayer that didn't need pumping every few seconds. How about this one ?

[video]https://media3.webcollage.net/8de216a361f0afa8fe91ff91147e1f1e5a5f3fb6?response-content-type=video%2Fmp4&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIIE5CHZ4PRWSLYKQ&Expires=1893482822&Signature=%2FhVQOTtd0wh7UJKswdqW7eBOQq4%3D[/video]

If it’s going to involve all that, I might as well just keep it simple and turn on the hose. Lol.

I was expecting that thing to have a drone feature, where it hovers around the vehicle and sprays it down while you sit on your porch sipping a cold beer. Then out pops a midget to wipe it down too. Lol.

 

[Oz_TCH]

LOL, true dat. Hose is always the best if its available and can be used.

 

[Klasse Act]

I have 2 Kwazar pump sprayers and the Last thing I want them to do is foam...

If I put Megs D143 Wheel & Tire Cleaner in either 1 of those sprayers it renders it nearly unusable because it foams like crazy and wastes a ton of product. Personally I didn’t find the foam very useful either ways.

From what I’ve gathered that Kwazar Foaming Sprayer isn’t as great as some initial reviews hyped it up to be. I’ve heard it also goes through a ton of product and has to constantly be pumped every few seconds.

Well...I assume they aren't foaming sprayers so that isn't an issue then, right, LOL! You seem pretty anti-foam for some reason and if so, could you explain how or if you pre-wash before doing a 2BM?