Pump up Sprayer/Foamer Question

[Eldorado2k]

If I had a power washer + foam cannon I would either pre rinse with the power washer then snow foam and begin washing with mitt.

Or snow foam, rinse with power washer, then begin washing with mitt.

Or snow foam, rinse with power washer, snow foam again, and begin washing with mitt. [overkill style]

I think I’d grow tired of snow foam and most likely just power wash and go straight to washing with mitt. Unless it was a really special car or I was just in the mood..

But I would Never snow foam a dry dirty vehicle and go straight to washing with a mitt. Hell no.

 

[Eldorado2k]

What is this “certain type of soap” you speak of? Quit being vague if you expect to get your point across. Because unless you’re going to be specific I’m guessing you’re talking about regular foam from Gold Class or something.

 

[Klasse Act]

If I had a power washer + foam cannon I would either pre rinse with the power washer then snow foam and begin washing with mitt.

Or snow foam, rinse with power washer, then begin washing with mitt.

Or snow foam, rinse with power washer, snow foam again, and begin washing with mitt. [overkill style]

I think I’d grow tired of snow foam and most likely just power wash and go straight to washing with mitt. Unless it was a really special car or I was just in the mood..

But I would Never snow foam a dry dirty vehicle and go straight to washing with a mitt. Hell no.

Lots of "ors" here....

My process is pretty simple but I'll give it a shot:

-foam the car down with that "specific" soap I spoke about earlier. In the 21st century of washing cars where you use pre-wash foam soap TO LIFT AND CARRY AWAY SOME OF THE DIRT AND THE REST HELD IN THE SOAP TO BE RINSED AWAY, safely because the dirt is in soap and not being blasted on a dry, dirty paint surface, emphasis on the dirt and dry part...very important DRY & DIRTY is never going to be as safe as WET SOAP and RINSED, pretty easy to understand... I think The "specific" soaps I use are AutoBrite Magifoam, Griot's Garage foaming surface wash, a variety of CG's soaps (can be used in the 2BM but I haven't used them for that) to name a few.

-At this point the majority of the dirt is removed SAFELY and while the car is wet I then move to a 2BM with the good grit guards and a quality soap and wash mit and then rinse again and dry the car. A quality soap would be something like Gyeon Bathe, CarPro Reset, 303 carwash, Built-Hamber auto-wash and TAC system Mystic bubble to name a few I use there.

Now...if this isn't clear enough...

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[Klasse Act]

...furthermore, NOONE their right mind is blasting THIS with water alone, PLEASE!

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[Eldorado2k]

Lots of "ors" here....

My process is pretty simple but I'll give it a shot:

-foam the car down with that "specific" soap I spoke about earlier. In the 21st century of washing cars where you use pre-wash foam soap TO LIFT AND CARRY AWAY SOME OF THE DIRT AND THE REST HELD IN THE SOAP TO BE RINSED AWAY, safely because the dirt is in soap and not being blasted on a dry, dirty paint surface, emphasis on the dirt and dry part...very important DRY & DIRTY is never going to be as safe as WET SOAP and RINSED, pretty easy to understand... I think The "specific" soaps I use are AutoBrite Magifoam, Griot's Garage foaming surface wash, a variety of CG's soaps (can be used in the 2BM but I haven't used them for that) to name a few.

-At this point the majority of the dirt is removed SAFELY and while the car is wet I then move to a 2BM with the good grit guards and a quality soap and wash mit and then rinse again and dry the car. A quality soap would be something like Gyeon Bathe, CarPro Reset, 303 carwash, Built-Hamber auto-wash and TAC system Mystic bubble to name a few I use there.

Now...if this isn't clear enough...

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It took you a long time to finally say you pre rinse the car... As long as you rinse the car that’s the only thing that really matters. Swirls aren’t caused by rinsing a dirty vehicle, you could power wash an extremely dirty vehicle and you still wouldn’t cause swirls.

Since you’re going to wash your car tonight, you should lay down some tape and do a 50/50 showing the difference between foaming with Gyeon Bathe and rinsing alone.

 

[Finick]

I would 100% rinse that panel above with water alone. I don’t see why that would be an issue? It’s not like you’re sand blasting the car and obliterating the finish, lol.

Unless you’re implying that rinsing and then foaming would be more appropriate, which I could agree with.

I still don’t see what the issue with just rinsing with water is, though. We rinse our wheels to knock off loose break dust so that our wheel cleaner can work on the stuff that’s more “set” on the wheel. I don’t see why an initial rinse on the paint would be any different.

How would you know that the specially formulated soap is pulling off dirt that would’ve just rinsed off, instead of getting a chance to dwell on the more stubborn dirt?

I’ve seen that logic in YouTube videos, saying a high pressure rinse will scratch the paint, but I feel like if that was really the case it wouldn’t even be debatable at this point. Unless that’s not what’s being implied, in which case I was misreading.


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[Eldorado2k]

Unless you’re implying that rinsing and then foaming would be more appropriate, which I could agree with.

He’s saying that “NOONE in their right mind would rinse that panel with water alone”
meaning the only way to do it would be to snow foam it and then and only then would you rinse it... Unless you’re out of your mind. Lol.

 

[SWETM]

This is was I often starting with when I can wash the cars.

This is how it gets when only useing the PW to rinse.

Then foaming on a prewash foam that are a little stronger during the winter months and often has TFR (traffic film remover) in the description of it.

And then after as long as possible dwell time before it's drying on you. Use the water pressure from the PW to clean with and start from the bottom and work my way up. The thought behind it is that when desolved dirt and contaminants they run off better on an already cleaned surface than if it has to run down over a dirty surface. So less streaking and easier to rinse clean and also letting the prewash foam be on there as long as possible to help the dirt being desolved easier.

So for my environment I see a benefit to use a dedicated prewash foam before doing the touching wash. Some dirt and contaminants is left after the prewash so it's not a magical method. Just get to a point where it's as clean as possible before touching it with a wash media. If the prerinse with only the PW would work just as much as the prewash foam does. I would not bother to mix it up in the foamcannon and foam it on and let it dwell. That extra time I could be without. Maybe those magical encapsulated car soap or rinseless wash or waterless wash works to lift the dirt up and what not. But still you would have to take it off when you aggitate it. Then you get a dirty wash media and dirt that may not rinse out of it. So this works great for me with a prewash step. Here's a rinse bucket after a wash and not from this wash where the other pictures are from. But it's useally how it's looks year around. And also sometimes a prewash foam and PW clean rinsing it off and blowdry you get a good clean from it during the summer months. So touchless wash a couple of times before you do a touch wash.

 

[john b]

This is was I often starting with when I can wash the cars.

This is how it gets when only useing the PW to rinse.

Then foaming on a prewash foam that are a little stronger during the winter months and often has TFR (traffic film remover) in the description of it.

And then after as long as possible dwell time before it's drying on you. Use the water pressure from the PW to clean with and start from the bottom and work my way up. The thought behind it is that when desolved dirt and contaminants they run off better on an already cleaned surface than if it has to run down over a dirty surface. So less streaking and easier to rinse clean and also letting the prewash foam be on there as long as possible to help the dirt being desolved easier.

So for my environment I see a benefit to use a dedicated prewash foam before doing the touching wash. Some dirt and contaminants is left after the prewash so it's not a magical method. Just get to a point where it's as clean as possible before touching it with a wash media. If the prerinse with only the PW would work just as much as the prewash foam does. I would not bother to mix it up in the foamcannon and foam it on and let it dwell. That extra time I could be without. Maybe those magical encapsulated car soap or rinseless wash or waterless wash works to lift the dirt up and what not. But still you would have to take it off when you aggitate it. Then you get a dirty wash media and dirt that may not rinse out of it. So this works great for me with a prewash step. Here's a rinse bucket after a wash and not from this wash where the other pictures are from. But it's useally how it's looks year around. And also sometimes a prewash foam and PW clean rinsing it off and blowdry you get a good clean from it during the summer months. So touchless wash a couple of times before you do a touch wash.

what do you use for your tfr?

 

[Rsurfer]

Can't see any pictures.

 

[Klasse Act]

Just so this doesn't get too carried away, you guys wanna power wash something that looks like my door panel, thus pushing that salt and muck into the paint, go for it. Not sure why there's so much push back to pre-wash foaming the car that looks like THAT, then rinsing away the rest and then doing a 2BM wash and then rinsing that away and THEN drying.

Is there anyone out there that understands what I'm saying here:surrender:

 

[Eldorado2k]

Just so this doesn't get too carried away, you guys wanna power wash something that looks like my door panel, thus pushing that salt and muck into the paint, go for it. Not sure why there's so much push back to pre-wash foaming the car that looks like THAT, then rinsing away the rest and then doing a 2BM wash and then rinsing that away and THEN drying.

Is there anyone out there that understands what I'm saying here:surrender:

We get what you’re saying, however traditional snow foam soaps i.e. CG Mr. Pink, Gyeon Bathe, Extreme Foam Wash, Hyper Wash, Etc. make little to no difference and the power washer alone can do the same without the foam... Nor is it any safer to rinse when there’s foam on the surface vs. rinsing with water alone. It’s simply a non factor.

If it makes you feel better then go ahead and foam to your hearts content.. But it doesn’t make a difference to your paint.

Just look at what someone who just did the same thing you’re talking about had to say afterwards. [rinsed the salt off of his vehicle]

Just came back from there and it did an OK job tbh. Honnestly it's mostly just the high pressure washer that helps get stuff off.

 

[Eldorado2k]

If you want to show us something new then instead of using Gyeon Bathe [because I already know that soap has no chance at making a difference] go ahead and use 1 of those new pre wash soaps that you have available and do a 50/50 and show the difference between pre foam/power wash and power wash rinse alone. I expect to see something new. How’s that sound?

 

[Klasse Act]

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[PaulMys]

If you want to show us something new then instead of using Gyeon Bathe [because I already know that soap has no chance at making a difference] go ahead and use 1 of those new pre wash soaps that you have available and do a 50/50 and show the difference between pre foam/power wash and power wash rinse alone. I expect to see something new. How’s that sound?

Hey, Ric.

Let's agree to disagree with Roger on this point, Ok?

(Makes the thread a little argumentative is all...........) Just sayin'

 

[Eldorado2k]

Hey, Ric.

Let's agree to disagree with Roger on this point, Ok?

(Makes the thread a little argumentative is all...........) Just sayin'

I’m all for keeping things friendly... But I think we’re still all smiles right now.

 

[PaulMys]

I’m all for keeping things friendly... But I think we’re still all smiles right now.

Cat man do.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I thought foaming soaps and foam cannons was at first just some Mumbo jumbo to sell us more stuff. I admit I bought a highly rated cheap foamer and just use CG melon. Foamed well but I really didn’t think it took off any dirt that I felt was noticeable. I then switch to Griots surface wash. Funny you guys are talking about this but I pressure washed one side and GG FSW other. 1st time I saw a difference. My take is yes, pressure washing doesn’t cause swirls but can cause micro scratching forcing dirt across clearcoat. Pre foam does as lubricity can’t argue that point. Does prefoaming cost justify saving a few minuscule scratches between polishing? Awesome thing about this hobby is you can do what you like. Shoot I really have no idea if it works or not. But I like foam, like to over complicate stuff so I do it. Most of use don’t we’re giving our opinions of what we see with our eyes. We don’t have the equipment or science to prove anyone right or wrong. I think gritgaurds are a joke. Read earlier some guy uses two per bucket! To each their own just have fun doing it.


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[DETAILROOKIE]

To each their own just have fun doing it.

The best quote on this thread!

Who cares what other people use to wash their car if they, or their customers, are happy with the results, then who are we to judge and change their mind. Different stroke for different folks! Plus my needs are different than Klasse and Eldorado because we all live in different climates so we will all use different methods. One is not better than another, it is just what suits our needs best.

Happy foaming everyone!


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[SWETM]

what do you use for your tfr?

Bilt Hamber Surfex HD
Bilt Hamber Auto-Foam
Angelwax Cleanliness
BBV Prewash
Pingens Foam Clean

Ones that I only can think of working simualar cause I have not tested them out is Gyeon Foam and gtechnic w4 citrus foam and GG Surface Wash. From fellow members on a domestic forum is that CG Honeydew Snow Foam is not so good at desolve the road film that some of the others does. And what I have noticed is that's so much of resistance to use prewash foams so wondering if it will be catching on in the US. Then EU has a bigger offering of dedicated prewash foam which can be an explanation of doing products that works. A prewash foam I would not even consider to do a touching wash with as they are made for as spray on and dwell and rinse off. But hey we are as much against waterless wash or rinseless wash as most is against prewash LOL.

Can't see any pictures.

Strange cause they are uploaded to the gallery here on AGO. Will double check so it's puplic though.