Cruzscarwash
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putting Ceramic over PPF is pretty popular here in SoCal as well and people are paying big money for it. I know you can put IGL over PPF, ill be doing my first ceramic over PPF this weekend.
Q: ceramic over xpel...overkill?
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CarPro, Dr. Beasley's, Gtechniq, and other products coming from AG. But some of these products might not make it to the consumer as they might be only to certified installer in their dealer network.
From the Gtechniq website
Gtechniq launches a HALO for paint protection film
Today (Tuesday 30 October 2018), a leading high-performance, surface protection manufacturer has launched a flexible ceramic coating designed to enhance the performance of Paint Protection Film (PPF) and vinyl, keep it looking at best.
Ceramic coatings are great in appearance but a real pain to replace if damaged. They can be scratched, do water spot, and just do cost a lot to prepare the surface for the coating.
Do just search the internet for the ceramic coatings over paint protection film and you will find many videos and comments from the car clubs.
I would be happy with McKee's sealant and do a few waxes each year. But that is only one person's view, to each his own.
Kirby
Houston
From the Gtechniq website
Gtechniq launches a HALO for paint protection film
Today (Tuesday 30 October 2018), a leading high-performance, surface protection manufacturer has launched a flexible ceramic coating designed to enhance the performance of Paint Protection Film (PPF) and vinyl, keep it looking at best.
Ceramic coatings are great in appearance but a real pain to replace if damaged. They can be scratched, do water spot, and just do cost a lot to prepare the surface for the coating.
Do just search the internet for the ceramic coatings over paint protection film and you will find many videos and comments from the car clubs.
I would be happy with McKee's sealant and do a few waxes each year. But that is only one person's view, to each his own.
Kirby
Houston
ClearVue18
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Kirby let me buy you a drink man. Lol I think I said it has to be a coating designed for PPF. You cant layer 9H over PPF and you helped my point. Companies are now making PPF friendly coatings and most has to be installed by a dealer. You got what I was saying. You're my new autogeek buddy now lol
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FUNX650
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Personally:
-I only use XPel’s Sealant on my
vehicles that have XPel’s PPF on
them, with excellent results! (See
below pictures)
-[Yep: keeping the The Warranty intact
becomes my top priority after the install.]
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An example of PPF sealed with Xpel’s Sealant:
•During install:
•After install and sealing step:
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•IMO:
-Applying any other types of products to PPFs,
[regardless of the number of “steps”—>($$$$)
some highway robber deems to be necessary],
is, IMO, no more than another version of the
age-old flimflams—“confidence games”.
Bob
-I only use XPel’s Sealant on my
vehicles that have XPel’s PPF on
them, with excellent results! (See
below pictures)
-[Yep: keeping the The Warranty intact
becomes my top priority after the install.]
***************************************
An example of PPF sealed with Xpel’s Sealant:
•During install:
•After install and sealing step:
*************************************************
•IMO:
-Applying any other types of products to PPFs,
[regardless of the number of “steps”—>($$$$)
some highway robber deems to be necessary],
is, IMO, no more than another version of the
age-old flimflams—“confidence games”.
Bob
custmsprty
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The same can be said for coatings that you noted above for PPF. Mike P did a post about that very subject and the coating gets dirty over time and holds onto contamination. One thing for sure, no matter how many coats of any coating applied it sure won't stop a rock chipping the paint or down here in Florida a love bug etching from the paint. If a love bug can etch clear coat in 48-72 hours no coating is going to prevent that from happening.
RaskyR1
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I've been applying ceramic coatings to PPF for 9 year now without issue and the benefits have been very clear. Most notably is the increased resistance to staining and etching from bugs and bird poo.
Polishing prior to applying the film IMO isn't really necessary as the film will hide swirls. On a new car very thorough wash, decon, and claying is all that should be needed, maybe a quick but mild polish to "clean" the surface. I've wet sanded a panel with 1500 grit and applied film over it just to see how much the PPF can actually hide. Once the moisture was gone you could not see the sanding marks and it looked perfect.
The above being said, I will polish the filmed areas prior to installation if the owner insists, but I will explain why it is unnecessary too. IMO is just wasting precious clear coat.
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Thank you Rasky, excellent information, I too have put xpel over paint with minor swirls and random scratches, and found it covered very well. I've done a few doorsills this way.
So that begs the question: if you don't have to polish/correct before film, and the surface of the film does not Require any prep for coating (to any great degree), does this mean you could do a full film job plus coating for <$800? I've often felt the polishing/correcting is a big labor factor in any of these jobs.
So that begs the question: if you don't have to polish/correct before film, and the surface of the film does not Require any prep for coating (to any great degree), does this mean you could do a full film job plus coating for <$800? I've often felt the polishing/correcting is a big labor factor in any of these jobs.
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Well, the cost for a full PPF job on a car is going to run $5000+ depending on the vehicle and location. The cost to also apply a coating is going to come down to the installer and whether or not it's a consumer coating or a Pro coating. Most pro coatings will carry a MAP pricing which includes minimal prep and correction will be on top of that. When I do a film and coating job where the owner doesn't insist on paint correction of the filmed areas, I may discount the correction cost or the film cost but stick to the MAP coating price.
bryanviper
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SO I see a few of you guys saying that PPF will not stick to a Ceramic coating and should not be put on first.
I bought a new car in 2016 and I brought it home, applied Cquartz UK and then a few days later I got the full front end covered in PPF. I have had no issues with it not sticking, I also asked the installer before if it would be an issue and he said no it would not (he was correct) I have also put Ceramic coating on the PPF (as others have mentioned in this thread) without issues.
Now I dont know if its because I used a consumer grade ceramic coating and maybe its not as good as the Pro stuff some of you may install but I never had issues with the PPF going on top of my ceramic coating
I bought a new car in 2016 and I brought it home, applied Cquartz UK and then a few days later I got the full front end covered in PPF. I have had no issues with it not sticking, I also asked the installer before if it would be an issue and he said no it would not (he was correct) I have also put Ceramic coating on the PPF (as others have mentioned in this thread) without issues.
Now I dont know if its because I used a consumer grade ceramic coating and maybe its not as good as the Pro stuff some of you may install but I never had issues with the PPF going on top of my ceramic coating
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It can cause bonding issues and most film manufactures won't warranty it if it lifts when the paint has been coated. I've seen plenty of installers say they've had issues with it too, though I think it's going to be more of an issue with coatings that leave the paint feeling slick to the touch.
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Reviving this thread as I have a client who wants to get his Corvette ppf and coated.
Rasky, to your point on the film hiding swirls and doing minimal to no polish, I guess you're right that that's up to the client. I suppose if you did a minor correction, same as applying any lsp, wipe off any oils?
The ppf will be installed elsewhere after I correct the paint. Rinseless or waterless wash is a good recommendation for the ppf installer before they install the film down?
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Rasky, to your point on the film hiding swirls and doing minimal to no polish, I guess you're right that that's up to the client. I suppose if you did a minor correction, same as applying any lsp, wipe off any oils?
The ppf will be installed elsewhere after I correct the paint. Rinseless or waterless wash is a good recommendation for the ppf installer before they install the film down?
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If the PPF installer is any good, they will know how to prep the paint, including getting the polishing oils off.
Honestly. All the best PPF installers in my area just come, wash the vehicle, clay bar, IPA and start wrapping. Some quick touch up paint if needed. Never had any issues. These are people who have done this for 15+ years and do all the exotic car dealerships in the area. True PPF artists.
Never once have I seen them use a buffer.