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After using p21s paintwork cleanser on my car, the pad looked like this...
Is that dirt or black paint??

The car was washed and clayed prior to applying P21S with the DA buffer.

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What kind of car do you have? year/make/model? Has it ever been repainted? Were you using a rotary or were you using a da?
 
It is most likely dirt that was pulled from the paint. But some cars do have tinted clear coats, so this could be why it turned that color.
 
WickedLou9 said:
After using p21s paintwork cleanser on my car, the pad looked like this...
Is that dirt or black paint??

The car was washed and clayed prior to applying P21S with the DA buffer.

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Looks like dirt to me. :dblthumb2:

Mercedes-Benz E350 vs. 1Z, Flex & Blackfire

How well does 1Z Polish Wax pull contaminants out of the paint? Take a look for yourself! The pad on the left was used on half of the E350 while the pad on the right was still brand new.

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Gross dude! Wash your car! Kidding.

I think it's dirt that the cleaner pulled out of the paint also
 
If you'd used a "paint-decontamination-system" prior to the P21S Paintwork Cleanser-session...

I'd guarantee your 'paintwork-cleanser pad': WOULD NOT BE THIS FILTHY!!



Or your money back!!

{Please feel free to contact:
Bob...
For further "money back" information}
 
tdrake2406 said:
What kind of car do you have? year/make/model? Has it ever been repainted? Were you using a rotary or were you using a da?
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2008 VW GTI. 97K miles. Never repainted. I used a porter cable DA buffer on setting 4.

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WickedLou9 said:
2008 VW GTI. 97K miles. Never repainted. I used a porter cable DA buffer on setting 4.

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Well it would be hard to burn through the clear coat and down to the paint with a pc so i would like to think that is dirt then.
 
-I can only imagine the the swirls/scratches/marring/etc...
That the DIRT that's embedded in that pad caused to the CC.

As I've said before....and still IMO...
-Better to have used a "paint decontamination system" prior to attempting
another type of 'paint-cleaner' to: Dig Out the Dirt...from the CC.

HMMMM...
Does this mean CC paint-films are actually permeable?
Porous? Absorbant?

:)

Bob
 
Bob,

Clear coats are actually porous and can absorb whatever is left on the surface. I just saw one of my other forums where someone said a family member spilled Coke on the hood and didn't wipe it until the next day. You can imagine what Coke will do to clear if left on the surface.
 
I just polished a friends 1994 Camry and my yellow micro fiber pads turned a light gray
because of all the ground-in dirt.
 
smack said:
Bob,

Clear coats are actually porous and can absorb whatever is left on the surface. I just saw one of my other forums where someone said a family member spilled Coke on the hood and didn't wipe it until the next day. You can imagine what Coke will do to clear if left on the surface.
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Hi Mike...

Thanks. Yes, CC's are porous. Some more than others after being in service for awhile.
(I only brought this up because some folks say otherwise.)

-That's also why I was advocating using a paint decon system to "flush out" as much
contaminates/dirt as possible...before even starting up a polisher!
Less dirt-on-the-pad that way...IMO.

-Depending on it's environment, I don't believe in deconning a vehicle all the time...
When new, if never been polished, every couple of years or so...shouldn't be too hard to schedule.

-Even when using clay to remove bonded contaminates, some contaminates are 'sheared-off'...

Where's the rest of those sheared-off contaminates? In the CC, I'll say...
Waiting to be removed, along with some CC, by abrasive cleaning/polishing...
winding up on a pad...making it 'dirty'...perhaps a chance of introducing
unwanted blemishes to the CC.

-Now...those sheared-off contaminates are yet another pathway(hole) for heat/moisture
[and sometimes CocaCola :(] to enter the CC and begin their ravaging escapades.
-To me...Claying is a often misunderstood/misused/overused abrasive-'detailing-tool'/process.

-But...Once cleaned/polished:
Gotta keep a sacrificial-barrier on CC's to increase their longevity, beauty, etc.

:)

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
As I've said before....and still IMO...
-Better to have used a "paint decontamination system" prior to attempting
another type of 'paint-cleaner' to: Dig Out the Dirt...from the CC.
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What would be an example of a paint decontamination system? Using iron x and then clay barring?
 
That is looks like dirt to me.
Claying the vehicle does not mean its completely clean, running a pad with a D/A or Rotary will pull up more dirt off the paint if its not cleaned up properly. Its happened to me.

Claude:buffing:
 
Speed-Dude said:
What would be an example of a paint decontamination system? Using iron x and then clay barring?
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Finish Kare has a decon kit. I've seen a write up where Mike Phillips and Todd Helme used it
 
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