CEE DOG
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Excellent point, you got that right!
Question about UPGP Application
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Excellent point, you got that right!
Kurt_s
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That was an interesting discussion that I missed. The color difference between Natty's and UPGP seemed pronounced. Was it as noticable?
The pollen shot was priceless.
Kurt_s
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Cool ideas, Fred. How do you clean the window glass, glass shower doors, tile and corian before the UPGP?
Maybe I have that excuse to buy glass polish, pads and some UPGP for the house, which just might make it onto the car by accident?
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We may be straying a little bit from UPGP application, but I find that OCW is a killer spray wax (like UPGP for you, OCW was a great first for me). It has that, je ne c'est quoi quality that I really like on my white bimmer. I'm not saying it's perfect, but my car always seemed to look good, even when it needed a bath.
The color change with Natty's vs UPGP was intriging. One of these days, I need to get some UPGP and compare it to Fuzion, OCW, and DGPS. I don't have any Natty's but I can always use liquid Souveran, Megs 26 or Blitz wax instead. My wife's car needs a bath and it looks like a piece of truck tire bounced off her hood so the DA may need to come out anyway.
Do I really want 4-6 panels of LSP on the hood or roof to see what stays cleaner longer?
Rob T
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I don't think that there has been a wax in history that attracts dust as much as Blitz wax!
Rob T
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This is why I have been a mostly sealant guy. Those pics you took put this in perfect perspective.
I will still use a carnauba once in a while if it is on a color that doesn't show dust as much, such as yellow.
The dust attraction of carnauba's is a huge disadvantage in using them imo.
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LOL Good question. The first time around with the shower I used Soft-Scrub and a sponge. My shower has a hand sprayer in it which was really handy to thouroughly rinse all the cleanser off the tile and the inside of the doors. Both the shower and me came out really clean!! Make sure your shower is really dry before applying UPGP. Just like your car "Thin is in" a few sprays is adequate. Do 2 applications a few hours apart to insure full coverage.Cool ideas, Fred. How do you clean the window glass, glass shower doors, tile and corian before the UPGP?
Maybe I have that excuse to buy glass polish, pads and some UPGP for the house, which just might make it onto the car by accident?
As for mirrors and tabletops I used Windex. You want glass to be as clean as possible without the residue a polish might leave.
I also applied it to one of my second story outside bedroom windows. It stays a lot cleaner than the other windows and if it gets a little dusty I can rinse it clean with the hose from the ground.
Oh My...I really do have too much spare time.
Kurt_s
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I read the complaints about dust on Autotopia. I happily used Blitz for 10 years without many complaints (hated getting it on trim). I liked the way it looked when I applied it, it was easy to use for me, beaded well, seemed to protect well, fairly durable, and my cars always looked good. I liked it better than Megs 26 for some reason which I can't remember now.
I don't know, maybe I was fat and happy?
I personally would like to get back to being "Fat and Happy" with a consistent product for a while. If life was only that easy....
Kurt_s
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Although the directions specifically say Ultima Paint Prep, I dont think that the Pro Polish will cause a huge issue. I think that the Paint prep and Pro Polish are both chemical polishes designed to clear the paint of other finishes, raise the clarity and take out the slightest swirls. You can confirm this by posting for PoorBoy to answer himself. I have seen him answer on this board. I would hate to be wrong and have to waste a good bit of time on your car. I know I have done that and it anit fun!
Rob T
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Have you tried the Optimum line?
ONR - OS - OCW - OID all work together incredibly well.
Kurt_s
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The whole Opt line is great! :dblthumb2: Currently use ONR, OCW, OID, Opti-Bond, Opt Finish Polish, Opt Compound and Opt Power Clean. I have a small bottle of PolySeal and a trial size of Opt Protectant Plus to try. I plan to try their regular car wash next.
- OCW is one of my favorites from a practical, appearance and performance standpoint. A spray wax no less...
- Use ONR for no rinse washes, clay lube and as a pre-wash wheel cleaner when I don't need a heavy duty cleaner (permanent staple for the foreseeable future).
- Love OID when drying the car (feels slicker the next day).
- OCW and OID are synergistic and OID over DGPS3.0 seems to be too.
- Like the Opt polishes as they remain moist while WG twins (will keep these around) or a CG nano polish seem to go dry on the pad faster. I want their spray polish.
- Like Opti-Bond but want to try a couple others. (Pinnacle Black Onyx?)
- Power clean is awesome stuff. Seems a little pricy for an APC.
I went with WG DGPS3.0 as a sealant for our light colored BMWs last year after using Blitz exclusively for years. I am actually quite impressed with the look and performance. Don't need to change but willing to try something better if appropriate.
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Glad to hear you too have had such positive experience with OPT products!
You really should try OS! I have tried more sealants than any other detailing product (i.e., LOTS of them) and OS is probably my favorite sealant overall (with the exception of use on Silver).
You should not worry about the streaking. Even if you do get some streaking, it is extremely easy to remove.
The reason OS is one of my favorite sealants ever doesn't even have much to do with the ease of use. That's just icing on the cake. The *performance* is excellent, even compared to "normal" sealants that you allow to dry to a haze before removing.
....and OCW, OID, ONR all seem to perform even better when OS is used vs. other sealants in my experience/opinion.
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hey Rob,
I like DGPS and OCW because they don't look plasticy-hard to me. A little more 3D depth and glow. And that is tough with white.
Remember that I tend towards a nuba glow versus a more defined, mirror-like finish. To generalize, a good nuba tends to slightly round the edges and corners with a depth and glow that radiates from wiithin in full sunlight, while some finishes are better described as sharper, crisper, focused, flatter, edgy and mirror-like.
It's almost like the finish is thicker with some 'nubas and finishes. It's also not just a mirror reflection, it's a dancing, shimmering mirror. I sense a "heat rising from the pavement" effect that bends the light with a nuba finish if that makes any sense.
I've seen cars with mirror-like reflections that are awesome examples of glass-like polishing but the paint doesn't have depth or seem to glow from within in the sunlight. There is a very fine line between great and "it," and "it" is what we each prefer.
To paraphrase one of our Supreme Court justices from years back, "I can't describe pornography, but I can sure know it when I see it."
Where do OS, UPGP, DGPS3.0 and let's say Fuzion sit on the appearance scale if you understand what I tried to describe (and probably butchered)?
Cheers!
Rob T
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Hi Kurt,
I enjoyed your post. Your description of what you see with a carnauba vs a sealant was very good, and I do understand what you are saying. Butchered? No, quite the opposite!
My brand new vehicle (an HHR SS) is a deep but bright red (with no metallic). It is a very difficult color to take care of. Every bit as difficult as black.
It is the type of color that is meant for a carnauba, for the reasons that you state in your post. However, a carnauba simply won't work for me on this color because of the dust attraction. It's bad enough using a sealant (I can see every tiny spec of dust within 1/2 hour of washing it....just like I could with the black cars I've owned).
Well, thank goodness for Opti-Seal. While it may not *quite* live up to the reputation of a carnauba in terms of having that "internal glow", it does come closer than most sealants in my opinion. OS has better depth than most of the sealants that I have used over the years (and I have tried MANY sealants).
To me, the (very) slight advantage that a carnauba would have on my red paint in terms of looks is far outweighed by the disadvantage of the dust attraction. See these very illuminating pics from CEE DOG here: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...sizes-upgp-nattys-blue-fuzion.html#post306283
The appearance gap between carnauba's and sealants has been closed substantially with some of the newer sealants such as OS in my opinion. They no longer have the same plasticky look that many were known for (such as Zaino).
OS on my red HHR looks very nice indeed (although the lighting is quite harsh here, so it really isn't the best picture to show depth).
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Do you use OCW over the OS on your Red HHR?Hi Kurt,
I enjoyed your post. Your description of what you see with a carnauba vs a sealant was very good, and I do understand what you are saying. Butchered? No, quite the opposite!
My brand new vehicle (an HHR SS) is a deep but bright red (with no metallic). It is a very difficult color to take care of. Every bit as difficult as black.
It is the type of color that is meant for a carnauba, for the reasons that you state in your post. However, a carnauba simply won't work for me on this color because of the dust attraction. It's bad enough using a sealant (I can see every tiny spec of dust within 1/2 hour of washing it....just like I could with the black cars I've owned).
Well, thank goodness for Opti-Seal. While it may not *quite* live up to the reputation of a carnauba in terms of having that "internal glow", it does come closer than most sealants in my opinion. OS has better depth than most of the sealants that I have used over the years (and I have tried MANY sealants).
To me, the (very) slight advantage that a carnauba would have on my red paint in terms of looks is far outweighed by the disadvantage of the dust attraction. See these very illuminating pics from CEE DOG here: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...sizes-upgp-nattys-blue-fuzion.html#post306283
The appearance gap between carnauba's and sealants has been closed substantially with some of the newer sealants such as OS in my opinion. They no longer have the same plasticky look that many were known for (such as Zaino).
OS on my red HHR looks very nice indeed (although the lighting is quite harsh here, so it really isn't the best picture to show depth).
Rob T
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I have once.
It is going to require more experience/practice, because for some reason I experienced a bit of streaking/hazing when I applied the OCW over the OS.
Like I said, this paint is very revealing and sensitive, and will show any streaking or hazing and make it stand out like a sore thumb.
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Blackfire would look awesome, but on the other hand, it already looks awesome.
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Rob T
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Blackfire would look awesome, but on the other hand, it already looks awesome.
Well......actually.........
I love Blackfire Wet Diamond, and it was the first sealant that I used on my HHR. I couldn't quite put my hand on it, but something seemed to be missing. The paint seemed to have a very slight haze to it, and it just didn't have the depth that I knew it was capable of.
It was very weird. After two weeks and a few washes, things weren't improving, so I went ahead and removed the Blackfire WD and applied the OS. After the OS cured the next day, I noticed more clarity (the haze was gone) and depth to the paint.
I really have no explanation for this, as I have used Wet Diamond on a friends red car (albeit that was an old lacquer paint) and it looked great. <shrug>
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I'm only trying sealants again after being a nuba guy for many years, so I am not a sealant expert by any stretch of the imagination. With the nuba, I used a very repeatable process that worked well for me. I always used a final glaze before the base coat of wax, and both the glaze and wax were of the same brand. Mike P has commented a few times about how products within a line are made to compliment each other. As I read different threads about how some like or dislike products, I keep wondering if there may be a connection.
Before I chose WG DGPS3.0 in late December, I read a number of comments about the importance of surface prep with some sealants. I used WG FG3.0 before applying the sealant which worked well for me. When I use other polishes, I wipe down the paint with IPA before using the LSP to check the level of correction and remove polish residue.
I think that Zaino was one sealant that was particularly noted for requiring a special cleaning step. I sort of remember reading other comments for other sealants including Blackfire. I also found Richard's recent review of Liquid Natty's Blue where it didn't produce good results until after he used a different paint cleaning and preparation process to be interesting. Supposedly, OS can be applied over other waxes and sealants and will bond under the old LSP. I really don't know if that is true or it's a forum rumor, but it could also explain your success with OS.
With a hazing issue, do you think that your experience with Blackfire on your HHR might be due to a paint cleaning step residue issue? It sure sounds like a little chemistry involved here.