Quik question about Mckee's Paint Coating

..... It's not Carpros fault.. It's my own fault, for not fully following the directions on the label of Mckee's Paint Coating. I should know better. I'm just a little frustrated over the results. My mistake.


Sent from my iPhone
 
To confuse you even more:

Product Review: CarPro Essence (Initial Impressions) | Ask a Pro Blog

I never wiped down or waited before applying McKee's on my vehicles or any that I've done and they are all going strong. I like Zach McGovern and the information he provides and have yet to find anything he's noted to be bad information.

I suppose it couldn't hurt to use Eraser but what exactly would it be removing from Essence and the properties it offers that would warrant doing so? Paging Zach for his input :)
 
Here's what my hood looked like this morning, 5 days since I applied sealant to the right, and Mckee's Coating to the left. It rained 2 out of the 5 days and the I haven't touched either side since the moment I applied both products on Friday.

8276cf072b88b467648e5746833f31fe.jpg


I'm honestly a bit shocked at the results so far. I knew the sealant was good, but it's become like 1 of those brutal boxing matches that needs to be stopped... Like when Manny Pacquiao fought Oscar De La Hoya, or Larry Holmes faced Muhammad Ali. It's getting unfair and ugly. Lol.

The sealant side is still fairly clean. The coating side however, is riddled with large water spots [who knows if they'll effortlessly wipe off at this point]. It's also collected many times more dust and dirt than the sealant side.

I don't know what to think, other than the polishing gods love to screw with me and the 1% chance has presented itself to me once again. Thank You polishing gods! #%^*+ lol.

Now here's the stupid questions: What the heck can I do to fix this? Please tell me it's a simple fix? Can I just try it again and re apply?

Btw, the trunk looks just as bad, if not worse.

Sent from my iPhone
 
Prep is key with coatings. When in doubt follow the manufacturers recommendation and start from there.

Perhaps you have proven that essence doesn't play well with McKee'e 37 coating.
 
The Guz said:
Prep is key with coatings. When in doubt follow the manufacturers recommendation and start from there.

Perhaps you have proven that essence doesn't play well with McKee'e 37 coating.
Click to expand...

You know what's interesting? There's that long thread on the sister site that someone bumped a couple days ago talking about Essence and 5-6 coatings... I'm glad someone bumped it because I had never seen it till a couple days ago. As I looked at the dudes results I couldn't help but shake my head at the poor excuse for beading he was displaying for each and every coating... IMO, after seeing those results I could only come to a couple honest conclusions: Either the beading on all 6 of those coatings is the greatest hype to ever hit the detailing world, or every single person who initially replied to that thread is a victim of todays PC society where they're either in denial, or too polite or afraid to speak the truth, because that beading was nowhere near what the pinnacle of beading could and should be.... True or not?

That's why I think osiapstndp gets props for keeping it real and calling it straight up the way he saw it earlier in this thread.


Sent from my iPhone
 
When it comes to beading/sheeting I found McKee's 37 to be a dead ringer for Collinite 845. In fact, from a looks perspective, I'd put them on par with each other as well. In both cases this isn't a bad thing, it's just not what I expected.

The big reason I went with the coating was to get into an annual LSP application cycle vs a semiannual cycle. I was hoping for some magical beading/sheeting with the McKee's, but frankly I'm happy with the results. I wonder if some times people like a product(s) and they see more into it than what is actually there.
 
I'm really surprised at what your hood looks like after five days. I've been staring at my little bottle of McKee's 37 paint coating for a long time, but keep putting it off. Maybe too much of the Essence product was left behind? I recall talking to Corey at CarPro USA about whether or not it is necessary to use CarPro Eraser after Essence. He mentioned that if Essence isn't "worked in" fully it is helpful to wipe down the surface to remove residual oil and such. Perhaps that's the case with your hood and deck lid?

I'm not an expert with Essence, but I read that a little bit goes a long way - three drops or so is enough to prime your pad and afterward around two drops for each section. Upon following that suggestion I notice that Essence is easier to remove and the surface doesn't feel "tacky." Additionally, I no longer use Essence as an all-in-one - instead it is used to perfect the finish before application of CQuartz.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Here's what my hood looked like this morning, 5 days since I applied sealant to the right, and Mckee's Coating to the left. It rained 2 out of the 5 days and the I haven't touched either side since the moment I applied both products on Friday.

8276cf072b88b467648e5746833f31fe.jpg


I'm honestly a bit shocked at the results so far. I knew the sealant was good, but it's become like 1 of those brutal boxing matches that needs to be stopped... Like when Manny Pacquiao fought Oscar De La Hoya, or Larry Holmes faced Muhammad Ali. It's getting unfair and ugly. Lol.

The sealant side is still fairly clean. The coating side however, is riddled with large water spots [who knows if they'll effortlessly wipe off at this point]. It's also collected many times more dust and dirt than the sealant side.

I don't know what to think, other than the polishing gods love to screw with me and the 1% chance has presented itself to me once again. Thank You polishing gods! #%^*+ lol.

Now here's the stupid questions: What the heck can I do to fix this? Please tell me it's a simple fix? Can I just try it again and re apply?

Btw, the trunk looks just as bad, if not worse.
Click to expand...


My friend I have not idea what to make of the situation you are facing. I will say that CarPro Spotless is an amazing product and I use it on lot of vehicles I see come to me for just basic clean up / washes. I've also used it on my car when it got caught with spots due to a hose this past summer.

Overall though you've seen the previous posted pics of my wife's van with rain all over it. Well, I've still yet to ever wash it since those pics thus it's nearly 3 weeks and if she hadn't taken off for some errands I'd snap a pic of it for posting right now as it resembles the right side of your shot. Seriously, it's still looking great and it rained several times this week too. I'll get a shot of hers later today as she's home before it gets dark out.

My insight to you would be to look at just simply giving it a wash, rinseless would work even and post back what the results are. If you use a hose it would also be interesting to see the beading. Just looking at your initial pics of water beading it didn't look like the coated vehicles I've done where when left to bead the water does so like a soldier standing at attention.

Here's a video I did weeks ago of our van after just a basic wash. Car had been coated for several weeks. See if your hood performs simliarly. My base coat on the van was NOT Essence either. My car was but not hers. Hers was HD Adapt.

https://youtu.be/Y7_gJjuGjq8

I will post up a pic of my car that was in 2 days of rain. The reason being mine looks great too and has a base of Essence topped with two coats of McKee's. STay tuned.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Here's what my hood looked like this morning, 5 days since I applied sealant to the right, and Mckee's Coating to the left. It rained 2 out of the 5 days and the I haven't touched either side since the moment I applied both products on Friday.

8276cf072b88b467648e5746833f31fe.jpg


I'm honestly a bit shocked at the results so far. I knew the sealant was good, but it's become like 1 of those brutal boxing matches that needs to be stopped... Like when Manny Pacquiao fought Oscar De La Hoya, or Larry Holmes faced Muhammad Ali. It's getting unfair and ugly. Lol.

The sealant side is still fairly clean. The coating side however, is riddled with large water spots [who knows if they'll effortlessly wipe off at this point]. It's also collected many times more dust and dirt than the sealant side.

I don't know what to think, other than the polishing gods love to screw with me and the 1% chance has presented itself to me once again. Thank You polishing gods! #%^*+ lol.

Now here's the stupid questions: What the heck can I do to fix this? Please tell me it's a simple fix? Can I just try it again and re apply?

Btw, the trunk looks just as bad, if not worse.

Sent from my iPhone
Click to expand...


I'm not surprised to see this.

Essence was developed by CarPro for CarPro coatings. While some have successfully used Essence with other manufacturer's coatings, I've personally haven't had much luck using it with McKee's 37.

I would re-polish the area and apply McKee's 37 Paint Coating per the directions on the bottle. :dblthumb2:
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
I'm not surprised to see this.

Essence was developed by CarPro for CarPro coatings. While some have successfully used Essence with other manufacturer's coatings, I've personally haven't had much luck using it with McKee's 37.

I would re-polish the area and apply McKee's 37 Paint Coating per the directions on the bottle. :dblthumb2:
Click to expand...

What about essence plus after Mckees with the intended purpose of filling in slight swirls?
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
I'm not surprised to see this.

Essence was developed by CarPro for CarPro coatings. While some have successfully used Essence with other manufacturer's coatings, I've personally haven't had much luck using it with McKee's 37.

I would re-polish the area and apply McKee's 37 Paint Coating per the directions on the bottle. :dblthumb2:
Click to expand...

Eldorado2k I have a bottle of DP Coating Prep Polish if you want it. It's the same thing as the McKee's prep polish.
 
Just browsed this thread briefly.

What was the root cause the cure time before topping + or that and non SIO topper
 
The Guz said:
Eldorado2k I have a bottle of DP Coating Prep Polish if you want it. It's the same thing as the McKee's prep polish.
Click to expand...

That would be awesome. I appreciate the offer, I'll send you a PM.


Sent from my iPhone
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
I'm not surprised to see this.

Essence was developed by CarPro for CarPro coatings. While some have successfully used Essence with other manufacturer's coatings, I've personally haven't had much luck using it with McKee's 37.

I would re-polish the area and apply McKee's 37 Paint Coating per the directions on the bottle. :dblthumb2:
Click to expand...

Yup, I completely agree. It wasn't hard for me to get over any momentary frustration and come to the same conclusion because I'm usually a follow the exact directions type of person, it's the best way to avoid any unexpected surprises.

And thanks to the Guz, I now have the proper prep polish [after I go ahead and do a quik machine polish with a normL polish]

0529a4b00db6043a11d5332348421803.jpg


chefwong said:
Just browsed this thread briefly.

What was the root cause the cure time before topping + or that and non SIO topper
Click to expand...

I didn't use any toppers..

The only thing I can think of is maybe I somehow didn't do a complete thorough job of wiping the Essence off due to it getting a bit dark on me [but that's still a slim chance because I did a close inspection with my led light prior to applying to ensure it was completely clean]

Another weird thing I noticed was just seconds after wiping the Mckee's coating onto the paint [with a brand new foam applicator] it began to turn somewhat yellow in color and was streaky, I figured that was just normL and simply buffed the yellow streaks away with the microfiber towel. 1 thing I know for sure is it definitely didn't apply clear like in the Mckee's video.



Sent from my iPhone
 
Time flew by last night when you stopped by to pick up the prep polish. And we got to see Santa haha.

You could do a test on the trunk with one side that has essence topped with McKee's coating. But this time give it an IPA wipe to remove any residual oils from essence. The DP coating prep polish should work as it is non-abrasive and would only remove the oils and not the SiO2 left by essence. At least that it what I think. Hopefully you did not get a bad batch of McKee's coating.

The other half of the trunk would be the DP prep polish followed by McKee's. I would do this on the hood as well.

Let me know how things turn out once you get a chance to do this.
 
IPA or a paint prep spray will not remove the sio2 fillers in essence. Corey from carpro tested it out when he first used essence to see. After you use essence, whatever is on there is on there until you use an abrasive to get it off. That being said, I know there's a guy on here who used essence with mckee on his black audi and his results were great. What I would try is repolish with essence and wipe it off carefully and then letting essence cure before the coating. It seems the solvents in the coating might be smearing uncured essence.
 
WillSports3 said:
IPA or a paint prep spray will not remove the sio2 fillers in essence. Corey from carpro tested it out when he first used essence to see. After you use essence, whatever is on there is on there until you use an abrasive to get it off. That being said, I know there's a guy on here who used essence with mckee on his black audi and his results were great. What I would try is repolish with essence and wipe it off carefully and then letting essence cure before the coating. It seems the solvents in the coating might be smearing uncured essence.
Click to expand...

Correct and we can all agree on the SiO2 not being removed with IPA and/or a prep spray. But a prep wipe will remove the residual oils from the product given it is a polish.
 
Absolutely, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm definitely not against a prep wipe anytime a coating is used. In fact I'd say do two prep wipes just to make sure. I'm just suggesting essence be treated like a mini coating in the sense where let it cure before you put another coating on.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top