Review: Black Label Diamond Paint Coating

[Evan.J]

In my how-to book, I talk about two different ways to wash a car.


Who reading this post has my book? Can I get someone to volunteer to tell everyone what it says about the two different ways?

In the book I explain the concept of how washing a car affects not only the longevity of any LSP but also how it affects swirls and scratches being re-instilled into the paint.


Detailing How-To Book and Detailing How-To E-book by Mike Phillips



I actually don't know of anyone else that has ever explained the two different approaches to washing a car and the how and why behind the concepts. And if you've spent an entire Saturday machine polishing all the defects out of your car or a customer's car, then properly prepping the paint for a coating and then carefully applying the coating, if you want the results like you see on the Porsche to last then it's very important that you treat the car appropriately.

You need to be intelligent about how you treat any highly polished car no matter what the LSP if you want it to last as long as possible and look good as long as possible. That's two thing by the way...


Good question Eric. I read through your blog too, nice article on how to properly use clay, includes some of the same tips I always share. I noticed you recommend some other blogs for tips on how to detail cars but don't mention AGO?

You're active on this forum and I like that, maybe consider sharing us too? That's what I call, Win/Win.

Mike to answer your question:

2 Approaches to washing your car:

1. Aggressive Approach - Washing before a detailing session (neglected paint)

2. Careful Approach - Washing after a detailing session (Show car finish)


Aggressive Aprroach:

When washing a neglected finish the priority is getting the car as cleaned as possible (not being as careful as possible.) It is okay to wash the car in the neglected condition a little more aggressively to get it surgically clean, because any defects you instill during the washing process will be removed during the correction steps. Your goal is to ensure that you've removed as much looser as possible from the car so that the dirt particles won't enter into the claying step or any of the machine polishing procedures.

Careful Approach:

If the finish on your car is in excellent condition, then you want and need to increase the level of care use while washing the car. Your priority is to avoid instilling any swirls scratches or marring back into the paint. Anything that touches it must be clean, soft, and gentle. While washing, you need to focus on the task at hand and use expert technique.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Mike to answer your question:

2 approaches to washing your car:

1. Aggressive Approach - Washing before a detailing session (neglected paint)

2. Careful Approach - Washing after a detailing session (Show car finish)

Thanks Evan... :dblthumb2:


And these two approaches are important. I even saw one of our forum members professional detailing website list as one of his packages, "Show Car Detailing" and at the bottom of the page it stated that the only way he'll do this type of package is if the owner of the car understands that after the work is completed the car must be washed carefully to preserve the finish quality.

Does anyone know or remember who this forum member is? I know they had a thread asking us to check out their new website.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I just sent the link to this thread to the owner of the Porsche. I'll see if he can bring her back in the week after SEMA. The post date for my write-up is,


10-02-2013, 04:12 PM


That was the Wednesday after my last Detailing Boot Camp Class.

I did the actual work the day before I posted the write-up and that would be Tuesday October 1st.

That means it's been approximately 31 days since I buffed out the Porsche and then applied the Black Label Diamond Paint Coating.

I have no idea how much the owner of this car drives it or even how he cares for it but I'll find out and if he'll bring it back I'll ask the guys here to inspect it and share what they see.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Here's a iPhone video of the 1986 Porsche after I appled the new Black Label Diamond Paint Coating to the paint.



1986 Porsche Slant Nose & 1928 Model A
In this "walk-around" video I document in FULL SUN that there are zero holograms and a 100% swirl free finish on both the 1986 Porsche and also the 1928 Model A we wetsanded, cut and buff.

[video=youtube_share;kUMzQNoFzYM"]Video showing before and after[/video]​

The above video showing the results in full sun is even better than a still pictures. Look close... this is how paint is supposed to look...



:dblthumb2:

 

[HateSwirls]

Great work as always Mike, both cars came out beautiful.
I'm sure your students leave your class wth so much more knowledge then going into it.
We appricate you man!

 

[Loser]

I'm most interested in the Black Label sealant, review it Nick, someone at AG review it! lol

This is what I'm waiting for. I was a week or so away from getting BFWD to try but now I'm in a holding pattern until I see how this sealant is.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Great work as always Mike, both cars came out beautiful.
I'm sure your students leave your class with so much more knowledge then going into it.
We appreciate you man!

Thank you sir...

It's a real blessing to work here and have the opportunity to do these projects in our incredibly well-equipped and air conditioned garage.

These projects also attract guys of very high character and very professional character and I'm serious. I play team leader for all our projects and most of that is just outline what the process will be and then the pads, products and tools we're going to use.

Everyone treats the project cars like they're gold and to date... there's never been any mistakes. Knock on cyberwood.


:xyxthumbs:

 

[Sue Esponte]

Mike,

The Porsche looks phenomenal!

A couple of quick questions.

1) What did you use for a polish to remove the swirls in the car's paint? I know you need to start with the Surface Cleansing Polish to prep the paint before any of the coatings are used.

I'm new to synthetics so I'm just starting my research on the brand and comparing options from GTechniq and other similar brands. What really drew me in to this thread (aside from the pictures) was the fact that it is from Pinnacle. I've loved the ease and results I've achieved from Pinnacle Souveran paste for years. I'm picking up a new (red) car in a couple of months (it's on order now) and was thinking about starting from the ground up with the Black Label or whichever brand (or mixture) I go with.

2) In your write-up you said you used the Black Label Diamond Paint Coating, Black Label Diamond Glass Coating, and Black Label Diamond Wheel Coating but Pinnacle also sells a Black Label Diamond Surface Coating. Are the three dedicated mixtures better suited for their intended uses or is the bigger bottle of the Surface Coating sufficient? I'm assuming I don't need all 4.

Thanks,
-Eric

 

[LightngSVT]

If you were to use the Diamond Paint Coating on a vehicle that will be daily driven through salt, snow and rain How would you expect it to last given proper prep? Also if said vehicle was subjected to drive through car washes all winter long (no hand washing here when its below freezing on a warm day!) you would still expect to see car wash swirls by spring time right? Can you buff like normal and then reapply the coating?

What are the benefits to the wheel and glass coating? These new synthetic coatings are a new concept to me, thanks.

 

[Lexi65]

Would live to see beading and sheeting!
:buffing:

 

[lexterminator]

Outstanding results !

other than lesser durability, will the Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Sealant produce similar results of Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Surface Coating ? During winter time I use the Wolfgang Paint Sealant but I find the shine to be average. I'm assuming that the Black Label Sealant would offer better shine ?

 

[titanlok]

Hi Mike, I believe many of us will like to see the comparison between the Detailer's Pro Paint Coating with this Black Label Diamond Paint Coating.

I bought a DP Coating personally and found that application of this coating is tough without a led light source.

Looking at this Diamond Coating, the packaging is exactly same as DP Coating as well as the method to apply. Curiously it makes me wondering whether both the chemicals in the coating are the same or even I am thinking if both are the same products but just repack.

Hope you can enlighten us on this, TQVM!

 

[Caleb@ImpeccableImage]

Glad you took the time to write this Mike

 

[jpegs13]

Great write up and great results! Just ordered it with the new sale code!!

 

[Sue Esponte]

New sales code???


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[jpegs13]

New sales code???


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[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Mike,

The Porsche looks phenomenal!

A couple of quick questions.

1) What did you use for a polish to remove the swirls in the car's paint? I know you need to start with the Surface Cleansing Polish to prep the paint before any of the coatings are used.

Hi Sue,

In the first post of this thread, I started it with a link to the actual write-up for the work I did to the Porsche, this link,

Lady in Red - 1986 Porsche - 4-Step Process


In the write up I listed the products I used and they were Wolfgang Uber Compound and Wolfgang Finishing Glaze.

2) In your write-up you said you used the Black Label Diamond Paint Coating, Black Label Diamond Glass Coating, and Black Label Diamond Wheel Coating but Pinnacle also sells a Black Label Diamond Surface Coating. Are the three dedicated mixtures better suited for their intended uses

Yes. Dedicated products tend to be better for dedicated surfaces and procedures.

or is the bigger bottle of the Surface Coating sufficient? I'm assuming I don't need all 4.

Thanks,
-Eric

Think of this as an all-in-one...

I used this on my wife's MB here, works great.

Review: Black Label Diamond Surface Coating

If you were to use the Diamond Paint Coating on a vehicle that will be daily driven through salt, snow and rain How would you expect it to last given proper prep?

Good question. Longevity of the product to stick to the surface is stated to be up to 3 years.

How long all the dimensions of any coating will last will be affected by all types of variables. People are different, for example I don't value a long lasting coating as much as some because I'm always going to be "maintaining" my car's finish. I'm not going to apply something, make a mark on my calender and then 3 years later re-apply the product.

Also if said vehicle was subjected to drive through car washes all winter long (no hand washing here when its below freezing on a warm day!) you would still expect to see car wash swirls by spring time right?

Are you talking about a touchless automatic car wash or a whirling brush style car wash or the kind with the mops that sway back and forth and spin in circles?

Here's the deal, how long ANY coating, wax or sealant will last on a surface depends on how the surface is "touched" and what it's touched with. The more aggressive the touching and the more aggressive the material doing the touching the less time anything will last on a surface.

Can you buff like normal and then reapply the coating?

I'm guessing a medium cut polish for sure would remove any coating so you could re-apply.

What are the benefits to the wheel and glass coating? These new synthetic coatings are a new concept to me, thanks.

The benefits are coatings last longer on surfaces than waxes and sealants so the protection is present longer.

Good questions...

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Outstanding results !

other than lesser durability, will the Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Sealant produce similar results of Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Surface Coating ?

I don't know without doing a controlled side-by-side test on the same paint. Good question though. My guess is the coating will create a more glassy look.

During winter time I use the Wolfgang Paint Sealant but I find the shine to be average.

Well the results you describe for the Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant are the exception to the norm as compared to the majority of opinions posted about the results from this product since it was introduced.

Are these results you see on just one car you use it on or all cars you use it on?

Hi Mike, I believe many of us will like to see the comparison between the Detailer's Pro Paint Coating with this Black Label Diamond Paint Coating.

Great idea. I'm busy at SEMA for the rest of the week but maybe can get to after we return.

I bought a DP Coating personally and found that application of this coating is tough without a led light source.

Hmm.... I find it the easiest coating I've ever applied. I have people at my classes that have never used coating in their life apply it with no problems.

Maybe start a dedicated thread and describe your process and includes some pictures of the car or cars you're working on?

Looking at this Diamond Coating, the packaging is exactly same as DP Coating as well as the method to apply.

Curiously it makes me wondering whether both the chemicals in the coating are the same or even I am thinking if both are the same products but just repack.

Hope you can enlighten us on this, TQVM!

The formulas are different.


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[dansam41]

i have used a couple of paint coatings opti2 and dp and the area i think could be improved on is the slickness over time it seems like every coating needs another product to top it off in order to get the surface to stay slippery i was wondering if the new paint coating from pinnacle will need a topper to keep it slick over time

 

[Lilybug]

Now I'm confused just received my order of black label surface cleansing, diamond paint sealant, and the paint coating. In which order do I use them. I do know cleansing is first.