Review: Black Label Diamond Paint Coating

[cleanmycorolla]

Now I'm confused just received my order of black label surface cleansing, diamond paint sealant, and the paint coating. In which order do I use them. I do know cleansing is first.

You'd use the cleansing lotion, then the coating. No need for the sealant if you're using the coating.

 

[lexterminator]

Well the results you describe for the Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant are the exception to the norm as compared to the majority of opinions posted about the results from this product since it was introduced.

Are these results you see on just one car you use it on or all cars you use it on?

Hi Mike, I only have one car and when I used it I had a 2009 Cadillac CTS black raven (non metallic paint). I had very noticable less shine with the Wolfgang Sealant versus using something like Souveran Paste Wax, Swissvax Concorsco and Autoglym HD Wax. I topped the car with Souveran and it did help. But the sealant alone looked "dead" on my car. The paint was in good condition. I was still using it every season right before winter kicks in. I will probably end up buying the Black Label Sealant at some point to compare and start using for winter time. Cheers

 

[DP4Duke]

I realize various factors influence how long Black Label Paint Coating will last (UP TO 3 YEARS), but what criteria would indicate that I need to reapply?

I have never applied paint coatings, but I am fairly experienced in detailing. A few of the posts have me a bit worried. It seems simple enough. Are there any tips or suggestions those of you who have used these products would give?

Last question; I have read various posts about using the paint coating along with a sealant and even a carnauba wax. There seems to be disagreement on this so I guess it is a matter of preference. Is that correct?

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Hi Mike, I only have one car and when I used it I had a 2009 Cadillac CTS black raven (non metallic paint).

Not sure what to tell you about the results you're getting from Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. In my experience on black and any color, it always produces a very slick, deep shine after the proper paint prep.

I realize various factors influence how long Black Label Paint Coating will last (UP TO 3 YEARS), but what criteria would indicate that I need to reapply?

About the only way you can tell that any product is being worn off is tactically, that is with your sense of touch, the paint won't feel as slick as it did after application. And water beading will be diminished.

I'm not a proponent or fan of trying to treat a car with any product and then let the car go for years. Instead I teach and practice preventative maintenance, the same way you change the oil in your car's engine before the oil loses it's lubricating and protecting ability you want to regularly maintain your car's finish.

With all coatings, this means new ways of inspecting, prepping and maintaining both the paint and the coating will need to be created, I don't think we're there yet as an industry for any coating yet outside of the two tests I included above and actually only one test works with some coatings as most don't make the paint feel slick.

I have never applied paint coatings, but I am fairly experienced in detailing. A few of the posts have me a bit worried. It seems simple enough. Are there any tips or suggestions those of you who have used these products would give?

This is where it helps to have a memory that works as it relates to knowing where all the info on this forum is and then sharing it instead of re-typing it.

Tips for using Detailer's Paint Coating

Last question; I have read various posts about using the paint coating along with a sealant and even a carnauba wax. There seems to be disagreement on this so I guess it is a matter of preference.

Is that correct?

Yes.

Theoretically, if a coating is lasting, protecting and making the paint look good there's no reason to apply anything over it.

The "issue" is... a LOT of "Car Enthusiasts" LIKE to do things to their paint all the time. It's really as simple as that and that means personal preference as it relates to "doing something" to the paint even AFTER it's been coated.

 

[DannyTexas]

Has anyone who has used the Black Label Surface Coating noticed it leaves very small "dots" in the clear coat?
I washed, clayed, polished and then cleaned using PBL cleaning polish. I then applied a very thin coat of the surface coating and buffed any high spots.
Its very slick and beads nicely no doubt.
However with the sun as light or my LED flashlight I can see very small speckles throughout the paint. They are on the surface for sure.
I then used a test area and polished with 3.0 Wolfgang swirl remover and then polished again with 3.0 paint glaze. I examined the small 12X12" area and it was free of any swirl marks or speckles so it makes me believe it was the coating.
The coating once cured also was covered with a P21S wax as an FYI.
Could this have been caused by high humidity during the cure time? I know after I polished these speckles were not there. So somewhere between the cleaning lotion, coating and P21S wax they developed.
Don't get me wrong the paint is very glossy and looks awesome from a distance. Its a ruby red tri-coat metallic Ford F150.
Should I polish again to perfectly smooth and then just use a sealant and wax to ensure when I look up close in direct sun light there is zero speckles?
I enclosed a picture that if you look close at the brightest sun spot you will see the specs

BTW- if you hadn't noticed I'm a newby by all accounts.
Thanks
Danny

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Has anyone who has used the Black Label Surface Coating noticed it leaves very small "dots" in the clear coat?

Danny

I've applied this coating to a number of cars now and never seen that it left behind any dots.


In my life, I have seen a lot of cars that after machine polishing, little dots do show up, mostly on the front of the car like the hood and I think these are cased by debris impact from driving.


Here's an example in a black Porsche...



Proof You Can Do It! - Joe The Detailer - Black Porsche Turned into Black Pearl!


You can see them on the AFTER side after polishing but they were there on the BEFORE side before polishing it's just your eyes couldn't see them until after the swirls were removed and the haze cleared up.

This is a brand new Mercedes-Benz, as in only a few hundred miles on the car. It's solid black, that is NO metallic flake. So any and I mean ANY defect will show up.

I list all the things I did to the paint in the write-up and there were no dots caused by the Black Label Diamond Paint Coating after application and removal.


2014 Black Mercedes-Benz E350 detailed by Mike Phillips

:xyxthumbs:

 

[DannyTexas]

Thanks Mike!

This truck is 5K miles only and under carport 95% of the time. I work from home so it doesn't see sun much as an FYI.
Yesterday when I used the DA and Wolfgang 3.0 swirl remove followed by glaze it was spotless on my test area.
Whatever those specs are were removed and the 12x12 area was flawless in every way.
Do you think the high humidity during the coating application could do this?
It seems to be in the clear coat as I cannot buff off with a MF towel and hard pressure.
I plan to polish the whole truck again with the wolfgang duo and was hoping to coat again but I'm nervous as I don't want these specs to show up again.
I'm not doubting the coating its more of something in my process I guess.
Its a real PITA to spend 6-8 hours polishing this giant beast and then coating to protect it to only find issues after the fact.
I did enclose a marginal iphone pic in the post that if you look close you can see around the sun the little specs.
Danny

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Thanks Mike!

Whatever those specs are were removed and the 12x12 area was flawless in every way.

Do you think the high humidity during the coating application could do this?

Here's a guess...

If the specs were caused by the coating then my guess would be these spec were overspray caused by product landing on sections already coated and then they dried.

Just a guess...

It seems to be in the clear coat as I cannot buff off with a MF towel and hard pressure.

Next time, place a tape line down on a section of paint and on one side cover the paint with a clean, microfiber towel. This is your control side. It should be perfect before you start, so no specs.


Then duplicate your process on the other side and see if after your last step, that is the application and removal of the coating leaves specs behind.

Compare work side to control side.


The coating would not etch the paint, so if the coating is the cause of the specs it would topical and probably product that has dried before being wiped off. To me it sounds like overspray from misting the product onto either a nearby section of paint or to your applicator pad.

 

[DannyTexas]

Mike,
I will do as you suggested to try and narrow down the culprit. overspray is plausible but I was pretty careful when applying and I don't think the whole truck would be this uniform with speckles.

I'm wondering if humidity and or dirt attached to the coating while curing. Like I mentioned it is covered but not garaged so overnight dew still gets to some spots of the truck. I don't think its dirt since the dots are clear, same as a swirl mark color and you paint is very smooth. I don't feel any imperfections like dust or dirt would cause while coating is curing.
I'll do the tape method and go through the entire process again on a small area and see what it does.
Thanks again for the input and advice.
Danny

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I'll do the tape method and go through the entire process again on a small area and see what it does.

Thanks again for the input and advice.

Danny

Did you ever figure out what the issue was?

 

[DannyTexas]

Did you ever figure out what the issue was?

Hey Mike,

I never did nail done what caused it but suspect it was dust or moisture after application and before it fully cured.
Since then I have polished and corrected the paint a few times and for the most part its all gone.

I've changed from using coatings and now just wash, clay and wax very routinely (4-5X) per year.
Its the easiest and keeps my truck looking great.

Here is a pic of her how she sits today which is a 6 year old paint job.
View attachment 62485

 

[Natron]

We use it often and are very satisfied. I have been monitoring it on my 3 personal vehicles for nearly three years. I am very comfortable telling my customers that it will last 2 to 3 years with decent care.