Review: BlackFire Wet Diamond Sealant

Honey (AG), This is tough. You know how much you mean to me.
And you can't deny that we are Great together. But it needs to be
said.

I confess. Black Fire Wet Diamond has been my only indiscretion
since I first met you. I'll admit I was curious. It was just that one
time.

I promise I'll never stray again.

Love,
Rick

P.S.: BFWD Rocks on my black CTS.
 
I've been using this stuff for a year-and-a-half; It's freakin' AWESOME. Took all my other sealants and threw them to the curb. I did buy some Megs Ultimate Wax recently, but haven't compared to BFWD yet. Nice to know we can get it here. Also be nice if we could get it cheaper, but I just stocked up...and it goes a l-o-n-g way. Would there be any point in following the initial appl (red pad on spd 3) with a second coat (gold pad on spd 5-6)?

Jim

Jim
 
LuxuryMobile said:
Another good review. And very appropriate timing.
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Thank you Stephan

Rei86 said:
Oh that's just dirty Corey

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:D :bolt:

S2K said:
Another Great review Corey!
It really looks like the paint is a lot darker or is that just the lighting? Have you (or anyone else) used BFWD on black paint? If so, how does it look?
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Yes, I agree it darkened that Blue but popped the flake as well. In person it honestly had this beautiful blue/purple tint to it. Really spectacular

ToddHelme said:
Really nice review Corey!

The dusting, from my understanding, is caused by the actual drying agents in the product, which where added to the line (along with polycharger) around 2008-9ish.

Ultimately BFWD does not need to haze prior to being wiped off. You can apply it and remove it immediately with little to no effect on durability. I will usually apply it with a gold pad on a PC around speed 3. I can cover about 1/3 of a normal sized car with just a few drops, then I come back and buff that section off immediately. This seems to drastically cut down on both the streaking and dusting issues that may occur in humid climates on some paints.

BFWD was designed to be fool-proof to a larger degree than most other sealants. Want to buff it off wet? No problem. What to wait until it hazes? No problem. Want to do half you car, grab a beer, watch Mike Phillips on Speed, then buff it off, no problem.

Thanks for the review.
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Thank you Todd! Welcome to AG, a lot of us were praying for good opportunitys for both you and Angelo. Thanks so much for adding your knowledge on BFWD. Would removing it before it hazes not be more difficulty (more oily)?

I also thought I'd post this quote. Maybe you can confirm that this quote of a quote is still in context.

akimel said:
The reason I asked is that there is an ongoing, albeit always friendly, debate on the optimal way to apply BFWD. The three options were outlined by Todd a while back:

Quote:

[1]Haze... If you choose to let it dry to haze completely make sure to give it 30 to 45 minutes. This is not how the product was designed to work but it will. The touchy area is that once you have let it start to haze, it must haze completely or you might get very light 'shadows' or streaking in the paint.

[2]Apply it wet and remove... This has become my favorite method. Apply it to a 'section' (roughly about 1/4 of the car) then remove immediately. Like other high quality acrylic sealants you will feel the surface increase in slickness as you wipe it off.

[3]In between- This would be Angelo's method. Apply it to the whole car then remove. The only problem is that if you take a long time to apply it to the whole car or you have a large car it might start to haze. If it starts to haze you have entered the 'Haze' section. In this case just let it set up for another 20-30 minutes and your fine.

I have tried options #1 and #2 but I have not tried #3. I think I prefer #1. I apply to the entire car and then wait 30+ minutes. Removal is a snap once the product has dried, and I have not experienced any streaking (yet) on my black car. I cannot remember whether I had any "dusting," which I presume is the dried residue. If I did, I guess I didn't find it to be a problem. I'll pay more attention to this next time.
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Also I've heard people like to leave it on over night if they can (if garaged) before buffing it off.

ToddHelme said:
I really like with with Blackfire Midnight Sun Carnauba, either batch #24 or #25.

The wax was developed to specifically 'bond' (term used loosely) to the extremely slick surfaces that modern sealants like BFWD are noted for. It has a small polymer blend that it is similar to the polymer used in BFWD.
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Very interesting! I had just assumed the midnight sun would be very similar to all my other top shelf waxes. I actually just bought a pot of this. Now I look forward to using it!

S2K said:
Do you do the small areas you can't get with the PC by hand before or after you do the large areas by machine?
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I don't have a rule one way or the other. In the past I have completed unreachable areas after but I'm leaning more towards doing them before lately.

UpperClassD'ing said:
great review Corey!
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Thank you!

kingofsorrow said:
wow. great review. the results are amazing.
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Thank you! :iagree:

sensi09 said:
Nice review. Any insight in terms of durability versus other sealants you've tried?
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I apologize. I dropped the ball on my durability testing when I used the same vehicle to test new selants. I do not remember how many months I was at when I did so.

rcomito said:
Honey (AG), This is tough. You know how much you mean to me.
And you can't deny that we are Great together. But it needs to be
said.

I confess. Black Fire Wet Diamond has been my only indiscretion
since I first met you. I'll admit I was curious. It was just that one
time.

I promise I'll never stray again.

Love,
Rick

P.S.: BFWD Rocks on my black CTS.
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:laughing: Thats great
 
Great review. I love BFWD, too, myself. It holds up pretty well all in all. I had it on my wife's car in the winter for a couple of months. Granted I dry the car with FK425 which I think provides a bit of additional protection but the BFWD held up. I reapplied it in April I think and it is still going strong.
 
And blackfire legends continue.....

CEE... you need to top BF Sealant with either one of these:
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Their combo work absolute wonders.....!
 
S2K said:
Do you do the small areas you can't get with the PC by hand before or after you do the large areas by machine?
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Eitherways. My preference is to all the small areas by hand first, then wipe them off as I work around the car. In most cases, as long as the product is not over-applied, BFWD is doesn't care as much about application/removal as we do! :D

rwright said:
Very interesting and great info Todd. I was under the assumption that it was like most others - wait until it hazes before removing. I used this a few weeks ago with a great outcome and the client was very happy with the slickness of the paint. Maybe one day I'll get around to applying LSP's by machine vs. hand. Do you know if the gold pads will come over with the BF line? Thanks for sharing.
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I believe the Gold pad is already here? Thank you for the welcome.

rider9195 said:
I have the Midnight Sun wax, and it does say batch #24. What does that exactly mean?
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IIRC, which I probably don't, the first version (released to the public) was Batch 22. Each Batch is a slightly different formulation. There were 21 previous batches that were rigorously tested prior to the first production Batch (22).

The Batch number isn't synanomous with a run. Both Batch 22 and 23 where fairly short lived (batch 22 being the shorted and rarest). Batch 24, to date, is the longest run, with 1000s being made and sold over the last couple of years.

Batch 25 is the latest, and is almost identical to Batch 24, except a slight change in the carnauba source and polymer content, to increase durability. Look wise it is very similar to 24 (I cannot tell any difference) and durability wise it may last a week longer. It's a small improvement, but at this level you really have to fight for every last percent. :props:

CEE DOG said:
Thank you Todd! Welcome to AG, a lot of us were praying for good opportunitys for both you and Angelo. Thanks so much for adding your knowledge on BFWD. Would removing it before it hazes not be more difficulty (more oily)?

I also thought I'd post this quote. Maybe you can confirm that this quote of a quote is still in context.

Also I've heard people like to leave it on over night if they can (if garaged) before buffing it off.

Very interesting! I had just assumed the midnight sun would be very similar to all my other top shelf waxes. I actually just bought a pot of this. Now I look forward to using it!
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Thanks Corey. Please let me know if I am hijacking!

Wiping it off wet shouldn't product any problems with streaking or oils. The combination of drying agents and Polycharger catalyzer give it almost instant cure time. I like to either wipe it off wet (after 2-4 minutes of dry time) or wait a long time. IF you do get streaks when wiping it off wet, then you can let it set up for a long time (as you alluded to it will pose NO problem if you let it set up over night) and it will buff off completely clean.

Looking forward to your review on Batch 25.
 
How would you compare this sealant to Wolfgang or Menzerna Powerlock? How is the shine and slickness in comparison?
 
I really couldn't find much difference between Wolfgang DGPS 3.0, Menz Power Lock or Blackfire AFPP, they are very identical in look, slickness, etc. Durability BF might last a bit longer coz the polycharger but i haven't checked for their durability since i rewax every week or so...
 
ToddHelme said:
IIRC, which I probably don't, the first version (released to the public) was Batch 22. Each Batch is a slightly different formulation. There were 21 previous batches that were rigorously tested prior to the first production Batch (22).

The Batch number isn't synanomous with a run. Both Batch 22 and 23 where fairly short lived (batch 22 being the shorted and rarest). Batch 24, to date, is the longest run, with 1000s being made and sold over the last couple of years.

Batch 25 is the latest, and is almost identical to Batch 24, except a slight change in the carnauba source and polymer content, to increase durability. Look wise it is very similar to 24 (I cannot tell any difference) and durability wise it may last a week longer. It's a small improvement, but at this level you really have to fight for every last percent. :props:
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Thanks for the explanation! Helped me out :cool:
 
ITR43 said:
How would you compare this sealant to Wolfgang or Menzerna Powerlock? How is the shine and slickness in comparison?
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In slickness BFWD is the winner of those 3 I think... Allthough I have never had them side by side by side.

Looks? Soo subjective so I'll let 50 other people tell you how one looks this way and one looks that way. You will here a lot of how Blackfire has a wet look to it (like a nuba) and I won't argue.

I'll simply say that on the only color of car where I have used both BFWD and MPL I preferred the BFWD as far as looks go.

WG I shouldn't comment on as much in terms of looks because I never applied it to a dark enough paint to fairly judge it.

Polish the paint to perfection and none of the 3 will stop it from looking great! :dblthumb2:
 
Corey, just used some BFWD today on an Odyssey and I was keeping in mind your baby powder dusting issue. Happened to me too. I was using a Meguiar's Ultimate Wipe microfiber and it just seemed to pus the powder around. From now on, I'll be using a thicker nap towel to trap the dust as well when taking off BFWD.
 
Thanks for the feedback Kyle :props:

I just used the BFWD next to some UPP and C2 on sunday.

I put it on thinner than ever this time and still got just a bit as always. I reaaaalllly put it on thin. I'll never go thinner than that! Anway, I left it on for a few hours... maybe 4. After I took it off and everything was completely done I hit the car with the Master Blaster for about half a second on each panel and it took care of it.
 
Tried the BFWD for the first time this weekend, it dusted a little (used the Megs Ultimate Wipe microfiber also), but not enough to bother me. It did get streaky the next day, but I think it's the humidity, it was over 100 when I applied it. Hit it with some Megs Final Inspection the following day, looks great (ignore the crazy shiny tires, I don't usually go that shiny and I'm possibly going to trade it this weekend, the dealers like shiny tires)

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Has anyone else noticed it has a scent of bubblegum to it?
 
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