Review: Wolfgang DGPS 3.0

Thanks for the review. It is always good to see other opinions.

It is often difficult to capture differences in sealants and waxes in side by side results with a camera. I see most differences as you approach the car as light reflects of the sides and curves of the paint.

I consider WGDPS a "bright" sealant. It does not darken paint much, does not have much hiding, slick, and glossy. This is compared to Menzerna Powerlock and Blackfire Wet Diamond.

I find WG DPS as easy to use (absolute scale vs relative). For those that like slickness (not on your list), it is slick. It can be buff overly quickly but the curing may be a negative to some.

What varies for everyone is the weighting of the relative characteristics.

I agree it is hard to capture diferences with a camera, and as stated above I really tried to notice a difference with the eye (20/20 by the way) and fell more than short. I believe many people will "believe" that in fact they see a difference in order to justify the $39.99 price tag and Wolfgang brand name.

If it looks "glossier/deeper/wetter" for some people, then thats fine in their mind they can believe anything they like. At the end of the day, my money is that I can grab 10 random people and none would be able to tell the difference.

Im in the business of making my clients vehicles look good, and at the end of the day im going to achieve what DGPS 3.0 can do, at half the cost.

After its all said an done, DGPS 3.0 didnt live up to the hype IMO.
 
Just some comments.

I note your WGDGPS 3.0 is in a clear Bottle? Mine, bought a few months ago came in a black bottle. Was yours a recent purchase?

I too have used Meg's M-21, WGDGPS 3.0, and even Meg's M-20. Have done two vehicles with WG, have gone through a bottle of M-21 over the past couple years, and back 15-17 years ago regularly used M-20, and in fact easily went through a full 12 bottle case of it on my vehicles, and others.

Always liked M-20, seemed to last longer than other Meg's products. M-21 seemed sort of similar to M-20, a different color and scent were the two most readily notable differences.

Longevity will be one key, as I have used virtually every Meg's OTC products over the years, and although many worked nice, one flaw I found with many of them from years back, was most wouldn't last, one car wash, and virtually there was no protection left. (Meg's may be better in this regard at current day)

Still, I would say none I've initially spoke of will fully protect against some nasties us car owners encounter, things such as bird bombs.
I've applied M-20 on a weekend once (on a new 1984 Silver Blue Trans Am I owned, had bird bombs land on the vehicle the following monday, and seen them almost permanently stain the paint.

That in general, none of these may protect as well as sealants like GTechniq EXO, CQuartz, Opti-Bond, and I reckon that's understandable, given the initial costs of these long lasting Sealants against other more common products available.

It would be interesting to see this thread updated some weeks-months down the road, to report back if any differences in longevity of these two products are noted? Mark
 
Am I the only one that thinks wgdgps smells amazing?!?! Seriously, I love it! Lol i open the bottle every now and then just to smell it... And i think to myself "mmmmm... The sweet smell of oil slick protection!"

-Beach
 
Just some comments.

I note your WGDGPS 3.0 is in a clear Bottle? Mine, bought a few months ago came in a black bottle. Was yours a recent purchase?

I too have used Meg's M-21, WGDGPS 3.0, and even Meg's M-20. Have done two vehicles with WG, have gone through a bottle of M-21 over the past couple years, and back 15-17 years ago regularly used M-20, and in fact easily went through a full 12 bottle case of it on my vehicles, and others.

Always liked M-20, seemed to last longer than other Meg's products. M-21 seemed sort of similar to M-20, a different color and scent were the two most readily notable differences.

Longevity will be one key, as I have used virtually every Meg's OTC products over the years, and although many worked nice, one flaw I found with many of them from years back, was most wouldn't last, one car wash, and virtually there was no protection left. (Meg's may be better in this regard at current day)

Still, I would say none I've initially spoke of will fully protect against some nasties us car owners encounter, things such as bird bombs.
I've applied M-20 on a weekend once (on a new 1984 Silver Blue Trans Am I owned, had bird bombs land on the vehicle the following monday, and seen them almost permanently stain the paint.

That in general, none of these may protect as well as sealants like GTechniq EXO, CQuartz, Opti-Bond, and I reckon that's understandable, given the initial costs of these long lasting Sealants against other more common products available.

It would be interesting to see this thread updated some weeks-months down the road, to report back if any differences in longevity of these two products are noted? Mark

Yes my sample of DGPS3.0 was a recent purchase.

I cannot speak for M20 because Ive never used it, and dont plan to either.

Which version of M21 did you use "back a few years"? The current version of M21 is 2.0

I get about 5-6 months durability with a weekly wash. As a matter of fact when I get bird droppings, they sit often times for a couple of days because my wife drives my car daily. I spray it down with a little QD and it comes right off with no effort, and with no etching.

I'll report back a few weeks down the road on durability of the two on my paint.
 
Am I the only one that thinks wgdgps smells amazing?!?! Seriously, I love it! Lol i open the bottle every now and then just to smell it... And i think to myself "mmmmm... The sweet smell of oil slick protection!"


-Beach

If your into great smelling products, take a wiff of Optimum ONR & ONRWW
 
Excellent, excellent review!

It will be interesting to see what happens as time goes on. Change in appearance...actual durability...etc. Great review.

I agree with this, I can't wait to see what happens over time!

Also, tape that doesn't leave residue on cars is expensive! And time is money, so for me, I would have to factor in the amount of time to tape a car up, as well as the money spent on the tape.

Either way, I got WDGPS on bogo so it was the same price lol!

Great review again!
 
Nice review. What happen to the tape line? Does this prove that it's all in the polishing?
 
Excellent, excellent review!

I agree with this, I can't wait to see what happens over time!

Also, tape that doesn't leave residue on cars is expensive! And time is money, so for me, I would have to factor in the amount of time to tape a car up, as well as the money spent on the tape.

Either way, I got WDGPS on bogo so it was the same price lol!

Great review again!

On bogo? Thats freaking awesome. Thats the only way I would pick this product up. Also on the taping, I agree. However most of my customers want full corrections done, so theres no way around taping on my end. Thank you for taking the time to view and for the kind words!
 
Nice review. What happen to the tape line? Does this prove that it's all in the polishing?

It always has been all in the polishing. Some people will never understand that concept.
 
Thank you very much for your great and thorough review! :dblthumb2:
There are some points I would like to discuss (some have already been addressed by other forum members, like FUNX725, swanicyouth and Bunky):
- smell should not be considered as a point in the final scoring table. If the product is good I really don't care how it smells (IronX simply wouldn't sell if this mattered...);
- the look is in the eyes of the beholder and not in the eyes of the camera...So, we cannot assess it and in person it may look the same to you and not to someone else. And it may even look the same now and different in a couple of days;
- I don't think a difference between 10-15 minutes and 30-45 minutes is significant. After detailing a car, 35 minutes (maximum difference, between 10 and 45) doesn't have any weight in how long you took to finish the job;
- not staining trim: this can be a major selling point. The average detailer won't tape the car's trim when applying a LSP;
- since Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and Meguiar's M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 are basically the same product (the latter only has the added capability of being applied by rotary), I think NXT would be “the wise choice”.
 
On bogo? Thats freaking awesome. Thats the only way I would pick this product up. Also on the taping, I agree. However most of my customers want full corrections done, so theres no way around taping on my end. Thank you for taking the time to view and for the kind words!

I know you're really supposed to tape up, but Optimum Hyper Compound and Hyper Polish have me spoiled. I almost exclusively use those two now. Virtually zero dusting and it has done nothing to black trim in my experience. I always do a rinseless after polishing so if a few specks of polish are on the trim then the rinseless will take it off. The rinseless leaves it LSP ready and I'm good to go. I don't have to waste money on tape or time taping up the car.
 
Great comparison and an even better write up. I would love to see a follow up on durability in a couple months. Awesome work as usual.

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I know you're really supposed to tape up, but Optimum Hyper Compound and Hyper Polish have me spoiled. I almost exclusively use those two now. Virtually zero dusting and it has done nothing to black trim in my experience. I always do a rinseless after polishing so if a few specks of polish are on the trim then the rinseless will take it off. The rinseless leaves it LSP ready and I'm good to go. I don't have to waste money on tape or time taping up the car.

Thats very interesting, I will look into those two products. As Optimum REALLY impressed me with their ONR & ONRWW. Thanks for bringing those products up :)
 
Thank you very much for your great and thorough review! :dblthumb2:
There are some points I would like to discuss (some have already been addressed by other forum members, like FUNX725, swanicyouth and Bunky):
- smell should not be considered as a point in the final scoring table. If the product is good I really don't care how it smells (IronX simply wouldn't sell if this mattered...);
- the look is in the eyes of the beholder and not in the eyes of the camera...So, we cannot assess it and in person it may look the same to you and not to someone else. And it may even look the same now and different in a couple of days;
- I don't think a difference between 10-15 minutes and 30-45 minutes is significant. After detailing a car, 35 minutes (maximum difference, between 10 and 45) doesn't have any weight in how long you took to finish the job;
- not staining trim: this can be a major selling point. The average detailer won't tape the car's trim when applying a LSP;
- since Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and Meguiar's M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 are basically the same product (the latter only has the added capability of being applied by rotary), I think NXT would be “the wise choice”.

:iagree:
Smell any number of car care products and you never know what you'll get. Some are so yummy (ONR, and ESPECIALLY ONRWW) I would be worried to have any in an unlocked cabinet if I had small children running around. OTOH some people really like the chemical smell. Go figure. I know if yummy smell was a factor then Griot's polishes, sealants, rubber & vinyl dressing, even best of show wax wouldn't get a check in the "smells yummy" box. Yet I still have all of them and don't mind using um' either.

Megs are still my favorites, from pretty much all their product lines as well (although I lean towards Mirror Glaze more often than not). I've used M20 for years, and actually with NXT Tech Wax 2.0 (when I didn't know it had anything to do with M21) along with M34 Final Inspection as a 'topper' and really like them, especially the smell of M34. :) If I had to pin down a difference I'd say M21 I feel has more of a hydraulic resistance feel on the surface when wiping down. Plus of course that 'liquid' feel beneath the fingers after it's down, and when topped with ULW.

Perhaps I need to go back and do a triple side by side of M20, NXT 2.0 and M21? I have plenty of cars left to do around here as the weather warms, perhaps the big honking hood of my old Caddy that just sits. (Like I don't drive it 500 miles a year, and then it's only if it's raining.) Oh well, that's for another thread for sure. ;)
 
What an awesome review!

...And to think I nearly bought some WDGPS just today and then though "na, I've got plenty of M21 left". :)
 
Thank you very much for your great and thorough review! :dblthumb2:
There are some points I would like to discuss (some have already been addressed by other forum members, like FUNX725, swanicyouth and Bunky):
- smell should not be considered as a point in the final scoring table. If the product is good I really don't care how it smells (IronX simply wouldn't sell if this mattered...);
- the look is in the eyes of the beholder and not in the eyes of the camera...So, we cannot assess it and in person it may look the same to you and not to someone else. And it may even look the same now and different in a couple of days;
- I don't think a difference between 10-15 minutes and 30-45 minutes is significant. After detailing a car, 35 minutes (maximum difference, between 10 and 45) doesn't have any weight in how long you took to finish the job;
- not staining trim: this can be a major selling point. The average detailer won't tape the car's trim when applying a LSP;
- since Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and Meguiar's M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 are basically the same product (the latter only has the added capability of being applied by rotary), I think NXT would be “the wise choice”.

I respect your opinions & agree now that scent should not be a factor. If I could go back I would re-consider that portion of my review. Although I did state in the written portion of my review that scent was not all that important so much as product performance. Thanks for reading and sharing your views.
 
Perhaps I need to go back and do a triple side by side of M20, NXT 2.0 and M21? I have plenty of cars left to do around here as the weather warms, perhaps the big honking hood of my old Caddy that just sits. (Like I don't drive it 500 miles a year, and then it's only if it's raining.) Oh well, that's for another thread for sure. ;)

Im looking forward to the comparison. On a side note a regular client of mine came by this afternoon for his weekly wash on his 2007 Acura TSX. I washed with ONR, clayed & sealed with Wolfgang DGPS3.0

Came out really nice.

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I think smell is definitely a factor. Sure it shouldn't be a huge factor, but it's a factor to me nonetheless.

Why?

Because, to me, if a manufacturer takes the time to create a scent or even just make a product smell less chemically, it shows that they not only care about what results their product will get, but also that it is an enjoyable experience for the user.

That's like taking an extremely fast car and not caring if it sounds like a lawn mower. Uhh no, that is not how manufacturer's do it. They will actually optimize the sound output that the exhaust makes... which has no difference on performance. Why do they do that? So that the USER has a better overall experience.

Smell matters. It may not matter to some, but it matters to me. Just like having a dressed tire shows that the owner cares about the look of the car, a nicely scented product shows that the manufacturer cares about the user experience.

All in my opinion of course.

Some nicely scented products include ONR, UWW+, Pinnacle Waterless Wash Plus Carnauba, Adam's Detail Spray, etc.
 
I think smell is definitely a factor. Sure it shouldn't be a huge factor, but it's a factor to me nonetheless.

Why?

Because, to me, if a manufacturer takes the time to create a scent or even just make a product smell less chemically, it shows that they not only care about what results their product will get, but also that it is an enjoyable experience for the user.

That's like taking an extremely fast car and not caring if it sounds like a lawn mower. Uhh no, that is not how manufacturer's do it. They will actually optimize the sound output that the exhaust makes... which has no difference on performance. Why do they do that? So that the USER has a better overall experience.

Smell matters. It may not matter to some, but it matters to me. Just like having a dressed tire shows that the owner cares about the look of the car, a nicely scented product shows that the manufacturer cares about the user experience.

All in my opinion of course.

Some nicely scented products include ONR, UWW+, Pinnacle Waterless Wash Plus Carnauba, Adam's Detail Spray, etc.

I agree 100%, while I should of not included the scent aspect on my graph, (which I screwed up to begin with LOL) it is still a factor. Not a significant one, but still one to consider.
 
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