Review: Wolfgang Exterior Trim Sealant

Cee Dog,

Great review...absolutey great!

I'd like to make some comments and then I'd like to pose a question to you.

First let me say that I'm not a detailer, and my comments come from simply maintaining my own vehicles tires with products from years gone by, many of which still exist.

A long time ago I gave up on tire products because of the work involved in cleaning off the brown sludge. I resorted to NOT using anymore of any of the available products of the day, rather, I kept my tires clean and therefore black by use of Westley's Bleche White. Once that dreaded brown sludge finally came off it was easy to keep off and keep the everyday dirt and grime off of the tires as well. I was then able to maintain a nice flat black tire...no sling...no brown sludge to remove with an hours worth of work...and best of all easy and quick weekly maintenance to keep them looking nice. A weeks worth of average driving dirt is pretty simple to remove and hardly any effort.

Since then there have been great advances, at least that seems to be the case, in these types of products, Ultima, C4, WETS and the like. Curiosity killed the cat and as such I purchased a bottle of the UTTG, but have yet to use it on anything. It remains un-opened.

In regards to the questions, have you noticed any of this dreaded brown sludge when using these products after some time has passed?

If so, are the cost of the products, time to apply, and time to clean the dreaded brown greasy mess worth the effort in your mind? I guess to me Westley's creates a nice clean tire with a quick spray and a quick scrub with each wash...hardly any effort at all to have a clean tire. I guess I just don't like residue to have to remove.

I know that looks are a personal preference, but if a product has little sheen to it, or just enough to allow an off the tire rack look...that's what I like. I can't stand too much shine/wetness.

Have you encountered any of this brown junk after many weeks/months of use/testing?

If so, what did you use to remove it and how long did it take to completely remove the grime?

Even though I've not found a tire yet with a sludge on it that Westley's couldn't remove, I'd rather not have to fight cleaning the tires even with it. It's almost like products like those carried in wally world allow dirt to accumulate on the product and soak on through it and into the tire itself. I guess a better question would be; Are you seeing this same dirt penetration over time with these new products?
 
Bill (Hoytman), Thank you for your comments, information, and questions. I'm not sure I can answer you with complete confidence but I'll do my best. With these 2 products I don't find any of the black sludge you mention. One time of washing with Amazing Roll Off has them clean. I don't scrub my tires execpt when I'm going to re-dress them and when I do I wash them twice to be sure. The first time some dirt comes off but no sludge and the second time I can't see anything coming off unless I use a mf towel to rub and then look at it. In that case I can see a little brown on the mf towel.

So, the way I clean a tire is:

1.- Wet tire
2.- Spray on ARO
3.- Let dwell 30 seconds to 1 minute (don't let dry)
4.- Scrub with tire brush (1-2 minutes)
5.- Rinse
6.- Spray on ARO
7.- Let dwell 30 seconds
8.- Scrub with all purpose mf towel (1 minute)
9.- Rinse Tire well while rubbing with mf towel (30 seconds)


Now, anytime I clean the tires I am washing the wheels and wells as well so that time taken into account I spend probably at least 10 minutes per wheel if it has a rim and what not. I

Instead of getting into all that I'll just say I probably spend 5-7 minutes on each tire (tire only)

I haven't used Bleach White but it probably works the same. I'll get some soon and let you know if I think ARO is better. I can get it at walmart right?

Now, what I found is very different than brown sludge but might be of interest to you.

Note on the final picture in this thread that is after 2 months of never scrubbing the tire. When I did scrub it it came clean with none of the "brown sludge" than I've seen with some dressings but instead with some dirt like I mentioned above. It wasn't difficult to clean but the point of interest is after thoroughly cleaning it it is still darker where the sealant was. There is still something there!

So look at this picture "6 weeks" (never scrubbed) and then look at the next picture which is after 2 months and being scrubbed today.


AFTER 6 WEEKS THIS TIRE HAD NEVER BEEN SCRUBBED SINCE PREPERATION FOR SEALANTS

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AFTER 2 MONTHS THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I SCRUBBED THEM



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Corey,
Thanks for all your work on this long review. It has been fun to watch and see the results! @week 5 there was a sale on WTG so I bought based on this thread and must say have not been disappointed!
This is a fantastic in-depth review that has value to the forum members. Thank You, I appreciate your efforts very much!:dblthumb2: ~~ Yale
 
Thanks for the update. They are very similar and I sure most anyone would be happy with either.

How many miles are the tires? They look almost new given the molding things.
 
Thanks guys,

Yes Al, that tire is very new! Not sure how many miles but it's more probably more than two thousand and less than five thousand.

I would guess two thousand.

Wait till you see one of my perl tests today. THAT is an old tire!! Errrr, cracks and everything... From my former life when I didn't take care of the cars. That makes me think! I should do a long term test with one of my new tires. Dress one half and not the other half for five years and see how well the uv protectants work...
 
Thanks for the comments Cee Dog.

I trust your expertise and it would seem that your ARO product cleans tires very well. Of course I hope you understood that I wasn't trying to compare my preferred cleaner with another.

However, I do think you've answered my question thoroughly. I have no doubt you applied those products to a super clean tire. Even though you waited weeks before cleaning during the test, it seems as though the products aren't allowing dirt to penetrate the tire like Armour-all and other various products do.

Those two pictures are what prompted my questions. There didn't seem to be any penetrated dirt. It would be interesting to see how much dirt, if any, penetrates over a few months time.

It appears that the tire cleaned to a nice black even after the few weeks of neglect. This makes me think that with weekly maintenance I can easily clean the tire, then re-apply the product to keep them looking nice without fear of a brown build-up happening. That sounds great!!!!

I spent much time researching the comments made on AGO about WETS and UTTG. Through the many positive comments and reviews I think I made the right purchase in ordering one of the two products tested.

Thanks again for all your hard work on these reviews.
 
Hoytman said:
This makes me think that with weekly maintenance I can easily clean the tire, then re-apply the product to keep them looking nice without fear of a brown build-up happening. That sounds great!!!!
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Ahhh, absolutely! Washed with your regular car wash a wipe with a microfiber mit or towel should definitely remove the dirt. I think you are right. The dirt doesn't seem to penetrate the sealant. The outer layer of the sealant discolors over time as seen in the 6 week update but with your weekly cleansings that may not happen and if it does the bleach white should easily rectify it.... Not that I'm not implying you would wait 6 weeks for a bleach white cleansing and a new layer.

Hoytman said:
I spent much time researching the comments made on AGO about WETS and UTTG. Through the many positive comments and reviews I think I made the right purchase in ordering one of the two products tested.

Thanks again for all your hard work on these reviews.
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Thank you!! :dblthumb2:
 
Thanks for an excellent, ongoing review. I have WETS and it works pretty well. I will try UTTG next time around. I just don't think there is anything that will perform with lasting ability to meet my expectations. So, reapplying is probably the best option.
 
Someone asked about this the other day so I put together a chart to show the prices when no sales are being offered and posted it in that thread. I realized today it doesn't make much sense for me not to place this chart in my review thread as well... so here it is.



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Update 4 months

Ok, so I stopped with the updates about 2 months ago. The tires started to turn yellow or blue after a month and I let them go a month longer for those updates. So after 2… I scrubbed them down with ARO eventually and started applying PERL 1:1 every few weeks (my go to tire product) scrubbing with ARO almost every time. Well today I washed the car again and noticed as I scrubbed the tires a definitive line. I just thought this was really neat so I figured I would share.


This first picture is when I first applied it 4 MONTHS AGO.

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This is what it looked like as I was rinsing it after a good scrubbing today. One of many scrubbings it has had each time I apply PERL over it. The UTTG and WG ETS are still there underneath as if they dyed the rubber.

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And after I dried it

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Btw: its still quite obviously there on my front bumper over C4 as well.
 
Cee,
If the ETS, and UTTG are still there, I wonder if Perl could be used first to darken the tire as you'd like then seal it and simply clean it when washing. I don't have any Perl yet, or I'd try putting it on my new tires then seal them with the UTTG I have and just see if regular washing is all that would be needed over the next few months. These coming salty winter months would prove to be a good test I'd think.
 
Hi Bill,well, Im pretty sure UTTG over PERL isnt going to work out but please try it! It can't hurt...

PERL is water based so if you apply UTTG or WG ETS over it they simply wont last imo. The solvent based product can't work weel with water based I don't think. They will fight each other.

But what if they did last a little while by mixing with PERL?

I had actually been thinking of mixing PERL 1:1 with UTTG instead of waterIm the MAN

Edit: Hmm, maybe after the PERL (1 coat) is completely cured it will work! I was just thinking some more about it.
 
Idk, it was just a thought. Have no idea if it would work. I have been wanting to buy some Perl for tires.

I guess I was thinking that when a water based product dries it's dried (the water carrier evaporates), and then I figured there shouldn't be a problem putting an oil based product over it.

Oil and water doesn't mix when in a liquid state. In my mind, it seems that once a water based product is dried there wouldn't be a problem, but perhaps my logic is twisted. I can see the water based not sticking to the oil based though. However, they may both be completely incompatible, idk.
 
Hoytman said:
Idk, it was just a thought. Have no idea if it would work. I have been wanting to buy some Perl for tires.

I guess I was thinking that when a water based product dries it's dried (the water carrier evaporates), and then I figured there shouldn't be a problem putting an oil based product over it.

Oil and water doesn't mix when in a liquid state. In my mind, it seems that once a water based product is dried there wouldn't be a problem, but perhaps my logic is twisted. I can see the water based not sticking to the oil based though. However, they may both be completely incompatible, idk.
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Ya, after thinking about it I realized exactly what you said. Might work! the PERL is Si and UTTG sticks to everything so why not! As long as it keeps the water off the PERL and stays stuck to the PERL without the solvent mixing into the PERL why not!
 
CEE DOG said:
Ya, after thinking about it I realized exactly what you said. Might work! the PERL is Si and UTTG sticks to everything so why not! As long as it keeps the water off the PERL and stays stuck to the PERL without the solvent mixing into the PERL why not!
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The Perl is what? Si?
Idk, I just thought that if it did work, as much as you like the looks of Perl for tires, and the longevity of ETS and UTTG that you might just end up with the winningest combination yet.
I certainly don't mind to try. It would be fun, but I've got to order some Perl first. Oh...and I need a camera as well. However, I think you may have everything needed at your disposal. Hint, hint:)

Actually, I was thinking about this a few weeks back and wanted to try it after ordering some of the PERL, but it slipped my mind until you brought this thread back up.
 
Hoytman said:
The Perl is what? Si?
Idk, I just thought that if it did work, as much as you like the looks of Perl for tires, and the longevity of ETS and UTTG that you might just end up with the winningest combination yet.
I certainly don't mind to try. It would be fun, but I've got to order some Perl first. Oh...and I need a camera as well. However, I think you may have everything needed at your disposal. Hint, hint:)

Actually, I was thinking about this a few weeks back and wanted to try it after ordering some of the PERL, but it slipped my mind until you brought this thread back up.
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LOL! I would love to do it. Just didn't want to steal your thunder Im the MAN
 
CEE DOG said:
LOL! I would love to do it. Just didn't want to steal your thunder Im the MAN
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Not stealing my thunder at all. Lot's of people think of the same things at the same time.

I once had and idea. I even put it to paper and had an engineer look at it. He said he'd help me apply for the patents and everything after looking at it. He loved the idea, and he started the process for me. Unfortunately, about 6 days later I discovered that another fella had the same idea about 20-30 years earlier and had already patented it. His product was called the Formaster. Google it. My design was dang near identical and I'd never seen or used his invention. Me and the engineer got a laugh out of that. He said, "I thought you really had something there, I didn't even get to make my call." I was a bit bummed, but so it goes.

Thunder...you can have it ha ha. It would cost me about $20 for the Perl and about $179 for the Canon camera I want.
 
Corey, how many coats did you put on the tires? The post says "Tires after 1" and goes up to "Tires after 6". You mean 6 coats?
 
Oh, no it was just one coat. The "after" means it was an after application picture.... (Picture 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6
 
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