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Looks to be another top notch spray on wipe off coating. The market has been filled with this type of product as of late. A good thing for the weekend warrior. Hardest part now is picking one!
Review: Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Spray Coating
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acuRAS82
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That was a great question, comparing to PNS from an alternative product standpoint!
Regarding the swapping options: My guess, and it would be cool if I’m wrong or at least partially wrong, is that you will need to swap out the BF AIO to BF Pro Primer Polish or CarPro Essence or a normal polish (not AIO) when planning on WG Uber Ceramic Spray Coating... but maybe this new stuff is good enough on top fresh sealant.
Note that if the required switchover to BF Pro Primer (or in some uses, Essence) is the best route, these aren’t going to have any or much correction, so removing significant swirls would probably still require a regular polish first.
Thanks for the compliment! Fixed my original post to reflect Wolfgang Prep is really Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep.
Figured to Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep would remove the sealant from the BF AIO but idk either
Also why I focused on daily drivers that are going to be correct 1x/year and BF AIO is an easy 1 step to re-establish a baseline for PNS or WG Uber Ceramic. Needing to move to BF Pro Premiere Polish, especially if you have areas that need the BF AIO to correct, now you're into a multistep or at least multi solution process. A lot of work for something that's going to see weather all year and honestly would make me just grab the PNS. Becomes a 2 step process - BF AIO then PNS and im done vs. 4 step AIO, Polish, WG Perfeck Prep, WG Ceramic Spay Coating.
Interested to hear mike's feedback!
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Thanks for the compliment! Fixed my original post to reflect Wolfgang Prep is really Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep.
Figured to Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep would remove the sealant from the BF AIO but idk either
Also why I focused on daily drivers that are going to be correct 1x/year and BF AIO is an easy 1 step to re-establish a baseline for PNS or WG Uber Ceramic. Needing to move to BF Pro Premiere Polish, especially if you have areas that need the BF AIO to correct, now you're into a multistep or at least multi solution process. A lot of work for something that's going to see weather all year and honestly would make me just grab the PNS. Becomes a 2 step process - BF AIO then PNS and im done vs. 4 step AIO, Polish, WG Perfeck Prep, WG Ceramic Spay Coating.
Interested to hear mike's feedback!
I don’t think there’s any chance WG Perfekt Finish Paint Prep will remove One Step after only 1-3x panel wipes. It will remove the polishing oils to make bonding to One Step easier.
I agree with your assessment of the multi-step becoming a deal breaker. Your only option would be traditional polish to replace BF AIO, if WG Ceramic doesn’t bond well. Even then AIOs like One Step allow you to do the whole car before wipe off, a huge advantage over most traditional sealants.
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Thanks for sending me a PM, it's hard to keep up 100% with every discussion all the time - but I try.
Here's the deal, you can't use a cleaner/wax as your prep step for any type of coating. I wish we could. If we could, I would use the BF One Step all day long instead of a compound or polish because it corrects well and is so much easier to wipe-off than any compound or polish I've ever used. That's because the wax component acts like a " dry lubricant".
You cannot count on an panel wipe to remove 100% of the wax or sealant component.
Once you go down the road of using any quality one-step AIO type product you have ALREADY made the decision you're not going to use a ceramic paint coating. You can still use a sealant like the PNS or BLACKFIRE BlackIce, but not a contemporary ceramic coating that needs a pure base of paint for a proper bond.
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:bump:
Just to note - right now there is a 50% off sale for this product. It's exactly what I say it is. So this is the time to buy it to test it out or if you've already trusted me and purchased it and found it to be what I say it is then this is the time to stock up.
PBMG brands 50% off sale
The sale is good for 24 hours and at the time I'm posting this, 11:00pm on Thursday, March 26, 2020 you have 13 more hours to get in while the getting is good.
Just to note - right now there is a 50% off sale for this product. It's exactly what I say it is. So this is the time to buy it to test it out or if you've already trusted me and purchased it and found it to be what I say it is then this is the time to stock up.
PBMG brands 50% off sale
The sale is good for 24 hours and at the time I'm posting this, 11:00pm on Thursday, March 26, 2020 you have 13 more hours to get in while the getting is good.
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Just put my order in. Is this spray coating similar to Gyeon can coat? I’ve applied plenty of sealants and waxes but never a coating due to not having a garage or shade.
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Two very different products. I love the PBL Surface Coating. I have not found a product that is easier to use that also leaves the paint as slick and slippery as the PBL Surface Coating. I also like to use it as a topper and a booster. It's totally worth the price. And for any regular readers of this forum, anytime there's a 25% or 30% off sale - I have a thread I try to remember to bump to let people know - now is the time to get in and get a bottle. Once you use it - you will love it. It's also great for show car final prep.
This new Wolfgang spray-on coating is the real deal. It's not to be confused with a "sealant", it's SiO2 all the way. And like I said in the video - it's super fast and easy to use.
If I were to use the two products - I would seal the paint using the Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Paint Coating and then use the PBL Surface Coating as a booster, for example after washing and drying the car down the road.
I'm a little confused.
The Wolfgang Uber is superior to the PBL Surface Coating when it comes to a paint coating ?
Could you not remove the remnants of the AIO via the use of a product like PBL Surface Cleansing Polish and then be safe to coat the paint ?
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Thanks for sending me a PM, it's hard to keep up 100% with every discussion all the time - but I try.
Here's the deal, you can't use a cleaner/wax as your prep step for any type of coating. I wish we could. If we could, I would use the BF One Step all day long instead of a compound or polish because it corrects well and is so much easier to wipe-off than any compound or polish I've ever used. That's because the wax component acts like a " dry lubricant".
You cannot count on an panel wipe to remove 100% of the wax or sealant component.
Once you go down the road of using any quality one-step AIO type product you have ALREADY made the decision you're not going to use a ceramic paint coating. You can still use a sealant like the PNS or BLACKFIRE BlackIce, but not a contemporary ceramic coating that needs a pure base of paint for a proper bond.
Glad you responded to that question from Dry Bones. The opening paragraph in the description mentions it can be applied on existing protection, but later it states it can be used as a booster on existing coatings. This is in-line with the directions to use panel wipe.
Prior to reading the description carefully, I thought maybe this was formulated like 10 Minute Paint Sealant which specifically mentions it can be topped on waxes and sealants (which I always found interesting). I’m guessing the 10 Minute product is more traditional polymer based with some SiO2 whereas this new Wolfgang Spray probably is heaven in SiO2 therefore requires the prep’d surface.
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:bump:
Just to note - right now there is a 50% off sale for this product. It's exactly what I say it is. So this is the time to buy it to test it out or if you've already trusted me and purchased it and found it to be what I say it is then this is the time to stock up.
PBMG brands 50% off sale
The sale is good for 24 hours and at the time I'm posting this, 11:00pm on Thursday, March 26, 2020 you have 13 more hours to get in while the getting is good.
Thanks for the heads up Mike! Pulled the trigger on this thanks to today's sale, greatly looking forward to using it.
PeteT19640
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Hi can someone answer this.
Also will the nozzle get blocked or is designed so that it doesn't?
Thanks
acuRAS82
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Your literal question is if you can use products you own. Of course you can.
Is there something more specific you’re trying to figure out?
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I think what he is trying to ask is ...
1. What are the shelf lives for the products he already owns ? (his initial post)
2. Will the nozzle get "blocked" by the ceramic spray coating, ie. will it get clogged after use ? Or is the nozzle designed to prevent this from happening ?
Answer to #1 depends a lot on how products are stored.
Answer to #2 is uncertain so perhaps a flushing of the spray nozzle after use would help.
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Hi thanks for replies.
They are all stored inside a spare bedroom. Thought that be the most consistent environment.
Thought might be a little like Can Coat that has couple of spray nozzles?
Can I use the Wolfgang Paint Sealant 3.0 over the Coat Spray, I can't see why not, but thought just to make sure.
Same with the other products for maintenance, still use over Spray Coating?
The only product that I can't use is the glaze under the spray coating?
Sorry for all the questions but first time user of the coating.
Thanks in advance
They are all stored inside a spare bedroom. Thought that be the most consistent environment.
Thought might be a little like Can Coat that has couple of spray nozzles?
Can I use the Wolfgang Paint Sealant 3.0 over the Coat Spray, I can't see why not, but thought just to make sure.
Same with the other products for maintenance, still use over Spray Coating?
The only product that I can't use is the glaze under the spray coating?
Sorry for all the questions but first time user of the coating.
Thanks in advance
Coatingsarecrack
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Yes nothing under the WG coating except a more permanent coating (think Cquartz UK 3.0 or even WG Ceramic coating).
As for on top you can add any LSP you want. Inly issue is if it will “bond” with the coating. From what i’ve read and gather most waxes and sealants won’t as the coating is designed to stay clean and shed contaminants.
Thats why the now have Sio2 sealants (toppers) that are designed to work with coatings.
WG has their proprietary topper.
Wolfgang Uber SiO2 Silica Spray
I’d use up what you have and then get a sio2 sealant
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acuRAS82
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From my experience and readings, you can top coatings and SiO2 toppers with pretty much any wax or sealant. For the wax or sealant it shouldn’t be much different than bonding to clearcoat. But you’ll be taking away the strong suit of the SiO2 (beading, sheeting). The majority of people in this forum don’t top SiO2 products with wax/sealant for this reason.
The only reason I can think of to top SiO2 with traditional wax or sealants would be to change the looks, along with the hidden advantage of extra, durable protection underneath.
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In this video Yvan talks about how Opti seal last 6-9 months but only 7 days on opti coat as it sheds the sealant. Yvans pretty knowledgable yes? I’ve also read other articles about this as well. I have also heard others say what you are saying
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Again MY experience with applying sio2 sealants on CQuartz topped with cancoat on most of my car and a bare hood is better performance from coated areas.
Is whats on top affecting coating behavior? Maybe. But if what your saying is true about whats on top masking the coating, then when i top my hood (uncoated) and the rest of the car (coated) then hydrophobics and self cleaning should be the same and they are definitely not.
I used to think that way too till i personally experience this but pretty much whatever I put on the CQUK3/Cancoat combo still behaves just like the coating. When I have applied comparisons on the hood they perform like the actual products.
When i top it’s more because I like touching the paint (dumb I know) and I think certain products make it more visually appealing
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I’m not an Opti-Coat or Opti-Seal user and not really into Yvan. In Yvan’s experience did the surface go back to Opti-Coat behaviors after 7 days or did the surface exhibit funky behaviors going forward?
My own experiences were just having a simple wax or sealant put on top. The top layer behaved just like the wax or sealant for a good period of time and then things either went back to good beading or got totally fuzzy in cases where I assume the bottom coat was totally compromised by it.