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215Detailing

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I live in a area (Philadelphia, Pa.,) that is saturated with the mobile and fixed shop car washer/detailer bug. By this I mean cut throat under sale to make a dollar, for most the passion is in the money, not skill, not products and not equipment. the average shop lease (rental fee) is well over a thousand ($1000.00) for something ok, but when folks are used to paying $10.00 maybe $15.00 shop rent money is hard to make. Being as this is part time work for me
MY PAST POST ON $10.00 CAR WASHING NOT DETAILING (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/44091-$10-00-hand-car-wash-detailers.html)

MY 2017 PLAN
(FUNDRAISER TYPE) set up shop (MOBILE) in open spot working out of vehicle (rental van or my wife suv) with my apprentice(s). rinse vehicles with distilled water using the GARRY DEAN ECO RINSE MACHINE, wash vehicle with rinseless products and a rinseless wash media like the big red sponge (one bucket with grit guard) dry, and then clean and dry wheel face (seperate bucket) clean exterior glass/mirrors $10.00 to $15.00 may offer a light interior vacuum and wipe down and interior glass/mirror cleaning for $20.00 to $25.00 per car. Depending on how filthy the vehicle may be I'd like to get two cars out of one bucket rinseless wash, if need be i can use the two bucket method.
But hand out flyers for my more detailed services that are at my home and done by appointment only or my op to go mobile if I upgrade to a small cargo van




Optimum Opti-Mitt, foam wash mitt, wash pad, double-sided wash mitt, optimit I currently own this media
Optimum Waffle Wash Pad
Optimum Big Red Wash Sponge




VIDEO OF MACHINE SHOULD NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF RULES AS TO AUTOGEEK DOES NOT SALE PRESSURE WASHER STYLE MACHINES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijCmnBIWOME GARRY DEAN (ERM) ECO RINSE MACINE

VIDEO IS TO SHOW GENERAL IDEA OF MY PLANS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq59Uer17tg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK8aMucWZVo (Mobile Car Wash: $20 special)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2v4u8-uGZE GARRY DEAN
 
215Detailing said:
MY 2017 PLAN (FUNDRAISER TYPE)
set up shop (MOBILE) in open spot
working out of vehicle (rental van
or my wife suv) with my apprentice(s).

rinse vehicles with distilled water using
the GARRY DEAN ECO RINSE MACHINE,
wash vehicle with rinseless products and
a rinseless wash media like the big red
sponge (one bucket with grit guard) dry,

and then clean and dry wheel face (seperate
bucket) clean exterior glass/mirrors

Depending on how filthy the vehicle
may be I'd like to get two cars out
of one bucket rinseless wash, if need
be i can use the two bucket method.
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Just wondering...
Being you'll be detailing out in
an open spot: Are you required
to capture the effluent/run-off?

Sounds like you have put a
lot of thought into this plan.
Good Luck!


Bob
 
You gotta sell yourself. Yeah, doing a waterless or rinseless wash is an "easier" method for us pro's to bring costs down, but even then is it really worth competing with them? Honestly, 99% of the people who are paying $10 for a wash, don't really care about the true look of their vehicle. They see no dirt and some shine and they're okay with that. Not really worth it to invest time and money into competing with companies catering to those people. REALLY hard to convince those people to spend hundreds of dollars on making their car look better when the next time Jonny Wash n Wax swings through the parking lot again he's gonna mess up your hard work. Especially when you're trying to market to more high-end people. Do you wanna work for free? I personally wouldn't touch a car for $10. Not worth my time or gas or money. I don't market to those people and I dont feel you should either. You have a business to run... insurance, bills, etc... are you REALLY making money at $10/wash? I have a hard enough time justifying $25 for an ECO wash for my time.

Also, I doubt many of the $10/wash people are really legit or will even be in business for the long term. Most of them are the fly by night type and will be gone before you know it. Yeah, there will always be someone else trying to make a quick buck, but realistically those aren't the type of people you wanna compete with. Don't devalue yourself or your work to "make" $10. Do you wanna do a lot of work for no money? That's what it seems you'd be doing honestly. Just my opinion.
 
I would you a tarp to collect run off, but would only use straight water through machine, washing product would be rinseless so that's (run off) enviornment friendly, I believe PENNDOT road (toxics)chemicals for snow and ice removal (melt) pose more of a threat to sewage run off
 
@OTSDETAIL this is the standard shop/mobile type work in Philadelphia and the rate is between $10.00 to $25.00 in most cases (PRODUCTION SETUP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_g2zRv34MU

Now my setup (S.O.P) is very similar to this and the customers say even $35.00 for a car is too high so I usually charge for a car $20.00/$25.00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TQbmwI_ahg

video examples: philly cheapest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZW1njYbYPI not sure what to call this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3vOoTO-jDI

MY WORK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_et3k6S4M5A & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJaBrVr0bts
I'm licensed but work from my home
have better product, equipment, knowledge, and have a website (not the best but) and still struggle.
I have a regular job but do this daily (by appointment) on the side, like to have a shop but when a shop charges over a $1000.00 a month for rent and everyone is looking for that $10.00 service I just don't see it happening
 
Gotta find the right people man. Looks like you're trying to compete with car washers. You need to get people who are interested in YOUR services. Moreso than just a simple wash and wax. Now, if you're desperate to make some quick money then I'd say go for it. I just don't think you're targeting your niche market. Also, maybe purchase the book called "How to Start a Home-Based Detailing Business" (It's a real good read). I have been out of my house for over 3 years now and never had any issues. I've wanted a shop too but you're right, it's prohibitively expensive.
 
sweatthedetails said:
Are you planning on doing $10 washes mobile? No way i would wast my time doing that.
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Well it depends on the mobile business model....are you going to a personal house to wash one car or setting up in a high traffic area like a mall where people are coming to you? On the right day at a mall or something a production mobile set up could make a killing


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@OTSDETAIL I'll keep my upscale clientele coming to my home by appointment, those that want the simple wash (cheap) come to me at @WINDYCITY street lot location
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGLJsjkHxWI) a small operation like this but on a lot or side street quick exterior only (wash, dry, clean wheel face, exterior glass, dress tires and may be a quick detail or spray wax) or may add a quick interior if they are paying for it vacuum,interior wipe down and glass and air freshener. wash more than likely will be a pressure washer spray down, rinseless mitt wash with a grit guard bucket. or may be the foam cannon wash.
 
OTSDetail said:
You gotta sell yourself. Yeah, doing a waterless or rinseless wash is an "easier" method for us pro's to bring costs down, but even then is it really worth competing with them? Honestly, 99% of the people who are paying $10 for a wash, don't really care about the true look of their vehicle. They see no dirt and some shine and they're okay with that. Not really worth it to invest time and money into competing with companies catering to those people. REALLY hard to convince those people to spend hundreds of dollars on making their car look better when the next time Jonny Wash n Wax swings through the parking lot again he's gonna mess up your hard work. Especially when you're trying to market to more high-end people. Do you wanna work for free? I personally wouldn't touch a car for $10. Not worth my time or gas or money. I don't market to those people and I dont feel you should either. You have a business to run... insurance, bills, etc... are you REALLY making money at $10/wash? I have a hard enough time justifying $25 for an ECO wash for my time.

Also, I doubt many of the $10/wash people are really legit or will even be in business for the long term. Most of them are the fly by night type and will be gone before you know it. Yeah, there will always be someone else trying to make a quick buck, but realistically those aren't the type of people you wanna compete with. Don't devalue yourself or your work to "make" $10. Do you wanna do a lot of work for no money? That's what it seems you'd be doing honestly. Just my opinion.
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Don't want to add any more sadness to this thread, but in the Philippines, I saw a regular car wash (with interior wipe down and vacuum) cost 100 local currency (~$2) for a medium sized car.
 
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I havnt come across a better method to wash/clay/wax that what Yvaan mentions and teaches as part of the optimization training.

ONR wash, clay with OCW and dry. Fast and efficient.

Buffing the paint?

Hyper compound, dont wipe it off and go right to hyper polish. Wash pads with onr in pad washer. 2 pads does a whole car. One for compound and one for polish, usually.

Optimum doesnt get the flavor of the month much anymore, but its synergy cant be matched.
 
OTSDetail said:
You gotta sell yourself. Yeah, doing a waterless or rinseless wash is an "easier" method for us pro's to bring costs down, but even then is it really worth competing with them? Honestly, 99% of the people who are paying $10 for a wash, don't really care about the true look of their vehicle. They see no dirt and some shine and they're okay with that. Not really worth it to invest time and money into competing with companies catering to those people. REALLY hard to convince those people to spend hundreds of dollars on making their car look better when the next time Jonny Wash n Wax swings through the parking lot again he's gonna mess up your hard work. Especially when you're trying to market to more high-end people. Do you wanna work for free? I personally wouldn't touch a car for $10. Not worth my time or gas or money. I don't market to those people and I dont feel you should either. You have a business to run... insurance, bills, etc... are you REALLY making money at $10/wash? I have a hard enough time justifying $25 for an ECO wash for my time.

Also, I doubt many of the $10/wash people are really legit or will even be in business for the long term. Most of them are the fly by night type and will be gone before you know it. Yeah, there will always be someone else trying to make a quick buck, but realistically those aren't the type of people you wanna compete with. Don't devalue yourself or your work to "make" $10. Do you wanna do a lot of work for no money? That's what it seems you'd be doing honestly. Just my opinion.
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please do not take offense to any of this


this is how I see it, I would not touch anything for $10 a car, I am very passionate about detailing and take lots of pride in it but because of that I price my time accordingly. for me a wash is no less then $65 and yes there are plenty of $10-20 dollar washes but I let them fight for the scraps because those are the people who just want clean paint and a smells good interior. I don't want those people, I want people who will admire and appreciate my work just as much as I do. now ive been where you are and could not figure out a way to get customers to come to me over them until I really took the time to sit back and look at myself in the mirror and while I was telling myself it was not about the money but the passion I was wrong, because fighting over peanuts was for the money. I actually raised my prices pretty dramatically and I did loose quiet a few clients because of it but in the end it worked out for the better, I only get the clients that I have been wanting to target and it does trickle down to the lower price customers as well and they come buy for a once off here and there. so I would stick to what you know you are worth, as far as products, talent, and time is worth and market yourself as such.
 
not sure of any run off regulations.
just consider all the toxins for ice and snow removal chemicals they use from the city streets department in the winter
 
Its about 12 bucks for me to do the touchless drive through, who's gonna goto someone's house for 10 bucks? I wouldnt check the tire pressure for 10 bucks...
 
If you want to make money off the $15 wash crowd, you only need this one simple tool

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I think I would change my target clientele. Possibly promote your business as Green and ECo friendly. Use waterless washes and or rinseless touting no excess water, less impact to the environment etc. sometimes you gotta reinvent yourself and or business. Maybe no one cares in that area but I would bet there are plenty of people that do and may bite on the idea. Usually for stuff like that you can charge a premium too


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I didn't realize how cut throats this business is. I would never wash a car for just 10 bucks. Detailing is hard work, even if it's just a wash n wax.
 
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