Rinseless Wash - how dirty will you go?

[Hoytman]

pdqgp,

I'd like to see you post a video of your process. I like what is written, but I'd like to see it in action.

How do you feel about skipping the use of all the towels and simply using Ultra Soft Microfiber Rinseless Wash Mitt and a rinse bucket for your mitt with a couple of grit guards in it.

The reason I mention using the mitt and a rinse bucket or two rinse buckets...

A lot of people mention conserving water when washing their cars, but fail to realize the amount of water it takes to thoroughly wash towels in a washer...with a wash cycle and two rinse cycles.

I'm not as concerned about getting away from a two or three bucket method as I am with getting away from having to rinse soap off a car from the same 2-3 bucket method. OF course, I have no issue with using multiple towels either...except having to wash them all. In fact, I use multiple towels quite often, but lately I've been re-thinking all the washing of the towels.

Just seems easier to me to use 2-3 buckets and one mitt...having 10-12 mitts on hand. Leave the mitts to air dry and when all are dirty, then just wash them all in the washer. Then again, I do have plenty of towels on hand and it's just as easy to wait for a full load of towels as it is to wait for a full load of wash mitts I suppose. Then again...again...LOL... you're probably not using that many towels per wash folding them for 16 sides. I generally fold for 8 sides.

Hard to argue against a clean towel per panel versus a rinsed mitt as it's extra precocious. However, since I use my own pressure washer to knock of any grit a rinsed out mitt in a grit guard bucket doesn't seem to aggressive since I usually only have road film to wash off and it usually doesn't get that bad because I try and stay on top of it. I just feel like I'm lacking something with my system and why I'd like to see yours in video.

 

[cleanfreak3]

^^ I agree with your statement, especially the last one. Any dirty car will need to sand and gravel removed via a soaking and high pressure spray first. For me it's $2 at the local DIY Place just prior to me washing it. As to Rinseless (I don't do waterless) I feel it's as safe as the best two or three bucket method if not safer. Gone for me are the days of hitting a van like ours in the photo with any type of sponge and rubbed around on the surface. I would much rather have a bucket of Wolfgange Uber and a sopping wet 480gsm towel carefully used to wipe the dirt with only a single pass per clean surface.

Like you I'm constantly amazed how so many feel a sponge dripping soapy water then being rubbed from top to bottom is any safer. Especially if it's then simply rinsed and re-used. It's never going to be as clean as a virgin surface like what the method I described is going to offer. Especially a surface that is nearly as large and only make a single pass across the surface. To each their own. I consider my Audi the best test case as it's Pure Black and will scratch just looking at it, yet my method works out quite well.

Cliffs: Blast of any car before washing it, especially caked on dirt.

How do you avoid the water from drying when you drive it home from the car wash and start your rinseless? When I'm half way done with rinseless the other portion of the vehicle is all dry already.

 

[TTQ B4U]

pdqgp,
I'd like to see you post a video of your process. I like what is written, but I'd like to see it in action.

Hmmm....would have to see what I could put together. I just cleaned up both cars today too. My problem is not wanting to take the time as with kids and work, I barely get a chance to enjoy just doing the washes let along vids

How do you feel about skipping the use of all the towels and simply using Ultra Soft Microfiber Rinseless Wash Mitt and a rinse bucket for your mitt with a couple of grit guards in it. The reason I mention using the mitt and a rinse bucket or two rinse buckets...

A lot of people mention conserving water when washing their cars, but fail to realize the amount of water it takes to thoroughly wash towels in a washer...with a wash cycle and two rinse cycles.

I just don't trust the mitt and a simple rinsing of it. Maybe I'm overly cautious but to me it feels like a crime to put a once dirty mitt back into my clean water as there's no way one would get off all the dirt and particulates and it only takes a few to cause marring and marks on my pure black Audi. That would tick me off big time. Perhaps on other colors or paints it's not as noticeable. Call me horrible, but I don't do rinseless to conserve water. I do it because I feel it's very safe.

I'm not as concerned about getting away from a two or three bucket method as I am with getting away from having to rinse soap off a car from the same 2-3 bucket method. OF course, I have no issue with using multiple towels either...except having to wash them all. In fact, I use multiple towels quite often, but lately I've been re-thinking all the washing of the towels.

Did both the van and car today, used 9 MF 480gsm towels, 2 cheap MF towels and 2 more 480gsm ones to buff/final wiping. I don't do a load of laundry of them until there's 20 or more to be washed. I rinse them with remove all the dirt, wring them out and hang to dry until then.

Just seems easier to me to use 2-3 buckets and one mitt...having 10-12 mitts on hand. Leave the mitts to air dry and when all are dirty, then just wash them all in the washer. Then again, I do have plenty of towels on hand and it's just as easy to wait for a full load of towels as it is to wait for a full load of wash mitts I suppose. Then again...again...LOL... you're probably not using that many towels per wash folding them for 16 sides. I generally fold for 8 sides.

Hard to argue against a clean towel per panel versus a rinsed mitt as it's extra precocious. However, since I use my own pressure washer to knock of any grit a rinsed out mitt in a grit guard bucket doesn't seem to aggressive since I usually only have road film to wash off and it usually doesn't get that bad because I try and stay on top of it. I just feel like I'm lacking something with my system and why I'd like to see yours in video

I wouldn't use 12 mitts either. LOL. I do fold the towels to get 16 sides as when I wipe, I also roll them slightly so the dirt isn't being pushed along the surface at a single point of contact. I'll see if I can set up a camera to video it sometime.

 

[TTQ B4U]

How do you avoid the water from drying when you drive it home from the car wash and start your rinseless? When I'm half way done with rinseless the other portion of the vehicle is all dry already.

Not sure I follow you. When I go to the DIY Wash to pressure wash off the big dirt and grime in winter, It does dry on the way home. Not a big deal. I pre-soak my cars prior rinseless washing anyway. In the summer or even a day like today where the air is drier than spring, I will wash my cars from top to bottom incluing windwos and then dry that top portion. From there I may do 1-2-3 panels, dry and move on, etc. Today, I did the top of the van (roof, hood and windows), then dried them, and moved to the lower portion. I did the rear panels and sliding doors on a side, dried them and moved onto the front door and fender, dried them and moved on to the other side. Make sense? Hope this helps.

 

[cleanfreak3]

Not sure I follow you. When I go to the DIY Wash to pressure wash off the big dirt and grime in winter, It does dry on the way home. Not a big deal. I pre-soak my cars prior rinseless washing anyway. In the summer or even a day like today where the air is drier than spring, I will wash my cars from top to bottom incluing windwos and then dry that top portion. From there I may do 1-2-3 panels, dry and move on, etc. Today, I did the top of the van (roof, hood and windows), then dried them, and moved to the lower portion. I did the rear panels and sliding doors on a side, dried them and moved onto the front door and fender, dried them and moved on to the other side. Make sense? Hope this helps.

I'm new to the Rinseless washes but when I went to the DIY to spray the vehicle off I then drove home and started right in on the rinseless wash. As I was half done the rest of the vehicle was all dried water spots that Uber didn't take care of. You then recommended Vinegar and Uber and that worked awesome to take the spots right off. I don't want to have to do this every time. Maybe the DIY water was hard water and not soft?

 

[TTQ B4U]

I'm new to the Rinseless washes but when I went to the DIY to spray the vehicle off I then drove home and started right in on the rinseless wash. As I was half done the rest of the vehicle was all dried water spots that Uber didn't take care of. You then recommended Vinegar and Uber and that worked awesome to take the spots right off. I don't want to have to do this every time. Maybe the DIY water was hard water and not soft?

Gotcha. Yep, probably hard water and/or recycled water from the DIY places. Try keeping a nice layer of carnuaba wax on there. something like Collinite 845. That stuff is amazing and really does well with preventing waterspots for me.

I just tried CarPro Reload and am done with it as both of my vehicles had bad waterspots after this week's rain storms. I've never had a problem with spotting like that. I cleaned them both up this weekend and put two coats of my LSP's on them and am moving ReLoad to the back of my cabinet.

 

[cleanfreak3]

Gotcha. Yep, probably hard water and/or recycled water from the DIY places. Try keeping a nice layer of carnuaba wax on there. something like Collinite 845. That stuff is amazing and really does well with preventing waterspots for me.

I just tried CarPro Reload and am done with it as both of my vehicles had bad waterspots after this week's rain storms. I've never had a problem with spotting like that. I cleaned them both up this weekend and put two coats of my LSP's on them and am moving ReLoad to the back of my cabinet.

I have Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant..you think that would prevent them. How often do you wax your vehicle being you probably do a rinseless weekly?

 

[TTQ B4U]

I have Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant..you think that would prevent them. How often do you wax your vehicle being you probably do a rinseless weekly?

Never used the WGDGPS but I've heard great things. Their stuff is tops from what I can see.

I wash my car every 5-7 days with WG Uber and usually wax or put an LSP on it every 4-6 weeks. In between I use Blackfire Wet Diamond detail mist and both Blackfire Crystal Seal spray. I think that combo of products keep it very well protected.

 

[cleanfreak3]

Never used the WGDGPS but I've heard great things. Their stuff is tops from what I can see.

I wash my car every 5-7 days with WG Uber and usually wax or put an LSP on it every 4-6 weeks. In between I use Blackfire Wet Diamond detail mist and both Blackfire Crystal Seal spray. I think that combo of products keep it very well protected.

Thank you for the help! I enjoy reading your advice on other pages as well.

 

[TTQ B4U]

Thank you for the help! I enjoy reading your advice on other pages as well.

You're welcome. Paying forward all that I've learned from my first hand experience and the communities here and elsewhere. AG is one of the better forums on the net hands-down IMO.

 

[Real Riders]

I am going to try ONR soon (or possibly other rinseless brand if cant find ONR over here) but my method is as follows:-

- Pressure wash with filtered tap water, all gaps, lines, etc...
- Air blow water from all gaps to prevent water coming out while driving and causing water spots...
- Spray ONR all over the vehicle before drying, and wiping with a super thick micro fiber, wipe again if needed to remove streaks,

Any other fancy products I need to remove contaminants etc to prevent swirls or is that unnecessary ?...

You pressure wash the car and then spray ONR all over the car and wipe off. You are using ONR as Waterless Wash, not as Rinseless Wash? No bucket needed ?