swanicyouth
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So, you bought Turtle Wax car wash and Home Depot towels and decided to come here to ask how to use it?
Rinseless wash newbie - Questions
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Setec Astronomy
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It's a crazy world, ain't it?
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I tend to believe there are a lot of people on this forum who could make a car look pretty fantastic using nothing but OTC products.
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Oh sure, it's that old thing that good tools can really help people that don't know what they are doing, but people who are experts can get great results with crummy tools...or something like that.
I think Swanic's point goes more to people expecting a bunch of help here when they didn't buy anything here. We used to have a member who was a pro detailer who came here all the time posting his Show n' Shines and with his business name and website link in his sig...and then he would bash AG and defiantly state that he never buys anything--ever--from AG...WTF?
It kind of reminds me of the TV series star (I don't remember who it was) who was talking about people who would come up to him on the street and want to talk to him...demanded to talk to him, because they felt they knew him from him coming into their livingroom for all those years...when he wasn't that character and they didn't know him. People don't seem to understand some basic things anymore about courtesy, privacy, and boundaries (personal or property).
Usually when people come here using OTC products, they wind up learning and stepping up to "boutique" products eventually. Sometimes people need something fast and I sometimes encourage new members to try some OTC products to make sure they actually "like" detailing before jumping in with both feet.
So here I go...Evo77...yes there are some decent towels OTC, even some inexpensive decent towels. However, for the application you have (rinseless washing) you need a towel that has good absorbency, a fairly long weave, etc. Unfortunately, I know of no such towels that are a "bargain". For this task, you are going to have to ante up and buy some more expensive towels.
As an alternate, you might eschew the Bill D method and just get one piece of wash media and use a rinse bucket...the muppet-head wash sponges available OTC are quite nice.
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Probably need to be washed a time or two. I have a pack somewhere that I was saving for something...but I can't remember what
I think I took one and put it into "rotation" but it's at the bottom of the drawer and I never get to it before I wash the others 
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Thanks, I took it the wrong way.
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Yeah, sorry I blabbed my guts out...I gotta switch to decaf.
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cleanmycorolla
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Lol no hatred, just facts. Try those towel on super soft Toyota paint then get back to me:dblthumb2:
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First of all, I'd like to say that I do not appreciate the arrogant tone in some of the comments posted. If anyone truly read my original post I clearly stated that this was my first attempt at using a rinseless wash which means its a learning process for me and the reason I joined this forum -- to learn.
Secondly, I did not realize that the discussions that take place on this forum must be of products only sold/purchased by AG. I'm fully aware that this site is AG. I must be mistaken but I have researched many topics here over the years and I thought that there has been plenty of general detailing discussions of all brands and products, even those not carried by AG. If I'm incorrect in this and this is not proper etiqutte here, I will adhere and post accordingly.
And lastly, I'd like to explain why I chose TWRW. I have read a few threads here with members giving it praise (and claiming that it smelled and looked very similar to ONR) and for the price I got it for, it only made logical sense to try it out. If I didnt like the RW process I can resort back to my 2BM and only spent a few bucks in the process. Same goes for the Home Depot mf towels. Since I had read some positive reviews of the Sams Club/Costco towels, who's to say that maybe I might be lucky and find some good towels too for cheap? I figured it was a worth a shot.
Hopefully that gives some of you a better insight. Thanks to those who offered good advice.
Secondly, I did not realize that the discussions that take place on this forum must be of products only sold/purchased by AG. I'm fully aware that this site is AG. I must be mistaken but I have researched many topics here over the years and I thought that there has been plenty of general detailing discussions of all brands and products, even those not carried by AG. If I'm incorrect in this and this is not proper etiqutte here, I will adhere and post accordingly.
And lastly, I'd like to explain why I chose TWRW. I have read a few threads here with members giving it praise (and claiming that it smelled and looked very similar to ONR) and for the price I got it for, it only made logical sense to try it out. If I didnt like the RW process I can resort back to my 2BM and only spent a few bucks in the process. Same goes for the Home Depot mf towels. Since I had read some positive reviews of the Sams Club/Costco towels, who's to say that maybe I might be lucky and find some good towels too for cheap? I figured it was a worth a shot.
Hopefully that gives some of you a better insight. Thanks to those who offered good advice.
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+1.
I also use a chenile/dreadlock type mf mitt, one bucket, with grit guard, premisting with a qd dilution, on my DD. I wash once a week and have no problems, but as said, if the car is very dirty, I will hose off before using the rinseless.
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Arrogant?
If you buy some nice towels like Cobra 600gsm and a quality rinseless like ONR or Pinnacle it will work fine. Just buy the right stuff and it will work out fine.
It's just a little but frustrating when people ask questions about detailing with supplies from Home Depot, Costco, K-Mart, or wherever. If its worth spending your time doing, it's probably worth doing right.
It's like going to the guy at camera shop where they sell all the high dollar lenses, cameras, and gear and asking how you can take pictures like him with the throw away camera you got from the Dollar Store - Except ONR and decent towels don't cost thousands of dollars. ONR is like 15 bucks and you can get decent towel for like 3 dollars.
There is a reason Costco sells towels for 50¢ a piece. It's because they are cheaply and inconsistently made. I have that same pack of towels. They are fine for tires, your seats, or for whatever else won't scratch.
Most people here have invested the time, energy, and money to get at least some basic decent stuff like towels and carwash from AG before they start calling forum members stuff like "arrogant".
Yeah, I guess I am an a-hole, but I just hate when people are are a super cheap. I mean if this stuff was like thousands - or even hundreds of dollars - maybe I could see trying to find a less costly way of doing it. But c'mon, the tried and proven stuff isn't really expensive to begin with. Once you factor in the dilution ratio, what are you saving by purchasing Turtle Rinseless over ONR - 3 dollars?
If you buy some nice towels like Cobra 600gsm and a quality rinseless like ONR or Pinnacle it will work fine. Just buy the right stuff and it will work out fine.
It's just a little but frustrating when people ask questions about detailing with supplies from Home Depot, Costco, K-Mart, or wherever. If its worth spending your time doing, it's probably worth doing right.
It's like going to the guy at camera shop where they sell all the high dollar lenses, cameras, and gear and asking how you can take pictures like him with the throw away camera you got from the Dollar Store - Except ONR and decent towels don't cost thousands of dollars. ONR is like 15 bucks and you can get decent towel for like 3 dollars.
There is a reason Costco sells towels for 50¢ a piece. It's because they are cheaply and inconsistently made. I have that same pack of towels. They are fine for tires, your seats, or for whatever else won't scratch.
Most people here have invested the time, energy, and money to get at least some basic decent stuff like towels and carwash from AG before they start calling forum members stuff like "arrogant".
Yeah, I guess I am an a-hole, but I just hate when people are are a super cheap. I mean if this stuff was like thousands - or even hundreds of dollars - maybe I could see trying to find a less costly way of doing it. But c'mon, the tried and proven stuff isn't really expensive to begin with. Once you factor in the dilution ratio, what are you saving by purchasing Turtle Rinseless over ONR - 3 dollars?
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Yes arrogant. And your post is riddled with it.
When you knock the cheap stuff without providing any valuable feedback (such as first hand experience or measurable comparisons) its a little harder to swallow. You end up sounding like a person who rides the boutique train because its...well boutique, and puts everyone else down for not following suit.
Like I said, I've read posts where guys give positive feedback using cheap bulk towels with no marring. And I've read other non impressed feedback with over hyped towels. And then vice versa. So what do you do with that information? Me, I say screw it and dive right in and make my own assesments. Can't knock something unless you've tried it. And I'm not a believer that the bigger the price tag the better the product.
Anyways I'm not here to argue about it. I'm just here to gather feedback.
For what its worth I decided to just purchase bulk Megs Supreme Shine towels to try out with my RW. I bought a 3 pk from AG a few weeks ago to use for QD purpose and I really like how they feel compared to my old ones. I have the first gen towels with the satin borders but unfortunately never properly maintained them so their not as affective as they once were. I'll report back with my thoughts when I wash the Cruze this weekend.
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Here's an excerpt from the forum rules (there's a link at the bottom left of every forum page):
It isn't enforced as strictly as it could be, as the mods seem to be fairly lenient about it, but yes, AGO should be a discussion forum only for products sold by AG.
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Lol Stephen is quite possibly one of the nicest dudes here, honest helpful, and fun! I don't think anyone would say otherwise!
Regardless, you need a thick plush nice nap towel for Rinseless washes. The stories you hear of guys using cheap towels, yeah they're great stories. I mean if you look at YouTube for Rinseless wash methods, and watch guys who do it right, they're not using crap microfiber! Garry Dean uses 600pile, Nick and Mike in their videos, quality towels. But honestly if you want to do it right, 'cuz thats why you're here, then do it right. Those towels you got are not good for Rinseless washes. I've done hundreds of Rinseless washes, so you'd say I have more familiarity with it then you right? Well my suggestion is pick up some rolled edge blue microfibers. You can get a dozen cheap, and they're great for the job! Also OTC stuff is great, I don't think Stephen is knocking that, what he's saying is if you spent 2-3$ more per product, like a good Rinseless and quality towels, not only will your results be better, but you're less likely to induce any marring which is a total win !
Hopefully this wasn't too arrogant for you:dblthumb2:
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Thanks Cleanmycorolla (Chris?). I'm really not that nice. I was a bit of a jackass going after this dude. Sorry for that. I usually don't go after people that way. For whatever reason, "cheapness" or "perceived cheapness" just annoys me to no end.
It could be because sometimes at my job I end up spending hours making phone calls to insurance companies and physicians because someone won't pay $1.00 for their prescription. I know this is off topic, so anyone can flame me - that's ok. I probably deserve it.
Maybe a dollar or 3 dollars is a big deal to some people and I just don't see it.
It could be because sometimes at my job I end up spending hours making phone calls to insurance companies and physicians because someone won't pay $1.00 for their prescription. I know this is off topic, so anyone can flame me - that's ok. I probably deserve it.
Maybe a dollar or 3 dollars is a big deal to some people and I just don't see it.
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Those are the key points. It's not that the cheap towels aren't a good deal and aren't good for a lot of things, they are just not the right towel for this application.
I realize the OP says he bought some different towels, but for other readers, the orange Vrooms (if they still make them) and the Microtex "detailing" towels at Wal-Mart are going to be better for this application than the towels I have gotten at Home Depot and the like in the bulk packaging.
Another salient point here is that since washing is the time when most of the swirls get put in your paint...it's also the time to be careful with your wash media (as well as your technique, of course).
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You have to admit that people get jaded...say with the price difference between a name brand and generic drug. It's easy to see how people could look here at AG, which is generally high-priced on their towels, and think that probably they are going to get the "same" towel at Home Depot in that bulk pack.
Again, I know the OP already bought some Supreme Shine towels, but I would also encourage him to go to Target or Pep Boys and look at some of their nicer towels (which are also overpriced) for the purpose of discerning some of the differences in towels.
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Well I think your nice, you've been nice to me always so aces in my book bro! :dblthumb2: