Rinseless Washes - 2022

Setec Astronomy said:
The dangers of Dawn Dish Soap: https://www.physics.purdue.edu/primelab/safety/MSDS/Dawn Liquid Detergent.pdf

OMG it's up to 30% SLS's!!! This is a very reasonable SDS as at the bottom of the section where it lists the "poisons", it says this: These substances are listed because in their pure bulk form they meet the OSHA and/or WHMIS definition of
hazardous. Any hazards associated with this finished product are listed in Section II of this MSDS.

Section II says this: Ingestion: Ingestion may cause transient gastrointestinal irritation.
Eye Contact: May cause mild, transient irritation.
Skin: Transient irritation with prolonged exposure to concentrated material.
Inhalation: N/A

I started to watch the Nemesis video to see if it had SLS in it, I had to stop when he got to the criticism of PDMS. Silicones are the basis for virtually every car wax, sealant and dressing. Before he got to that he said that Amines, C10-16, alkyldimethyl, N-oxides are the main ingredient in Dawn, which only makes up 5% max vs. the up to 30% SLS's as you can see from the SDS.

He does talk like a chemist, but not one that's ever been in the real world. He says the Dawn ingredient needs to be rinsed because otherwise it will etch. The Nemesis SDS says it's in Nemesis at a rate of 1-5%, and that Nemesis is 40-55% water. So just in the bottle, that ingredient is already diluted at least 1:8, and then I'm going to dilute that again at 1:256...I'd argue that your "rinseless" wash already has plenty of water in it to "rinse" that ingredient off.

I'll shut up now, because we've reached the end of civilization, where some random yo-yo on YouTube, that we don't know anything about, AT ALL, can make us believe what he's saying, and that goes for me too (I'm just some random yo-yo on a car forum). But hey, we all should do our own research, even if we have no knowledge of the subject matter. Some day I'm going to read Tom Nichols' book "The Death of Expertise" if I can find where I put it, I think it's buried under detailing products I bought from listening to yo-yo's on a detailing forum.
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Not sure how bad SLS is but almost all of the natural versions of toothpaste, mouthwash and shampoo list that they are SLS free on the front of the product.
 
His favorites seem to be ONR, Hero, and Ethos Hybrid.
I’ve watched all the reviews. He seems more against Rinseless than for it.

Like someone alluded to before, maybe he googles the Ingedients to to say what he says and is not an actual chemist.
 
01GreyStangGT said:
Like someone alluded to before, maybe he googles the Ingedients to to say what he says and is not an actual chemist.
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Did he ever say he was a chemist? Or do people just assume he is because he holds SDS's and points to the ingredients, and as you say, may just be regurgitating what the Google AI tells him. Maybe you can hold up some SDS's on your YT channel.
 
He has not claimed to be a chemist. He is also known to delete comments from those challenging his test. I have had a few people DM me on IG stating this on some of the other rinseless washes he tested.

His testing is nice but it is flawed. He is also under the assumption that the SDS has to contain the entire formula which it does not. He is not the first to do so.
 
I'm sorry, I got lost in the sauce, whom are we talking about again

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The Guz said:
He has not claimed to be a chemist. He is also known to delete comments from those challenging his test. I have had a few people DM me on IG stating this on some of the other rinseless washes he tested.

His testing is nice but it is flawed. He is also under the assumption that the SDS has to contain the entire formula which it does not. He is not the first to do so.
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He deleted one of my comments as well. I basically said the same thing.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Did he ever say he was a chemist? Or do people just assume he is because he holds SDS's and points to the ingredients, and as you say, may just be regurgitating what the Google AI tells him. Maybe you can hold up some SDS's on your YT channel.
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Good idea. I could spice it up and sound more scientifical!
 
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I don't know who the hell the guy is even, good for me

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I tried the Koch Chemie RRW and I didn't much care for it... I used it in direct sunlight and the paint was barely warmer than the outside air, it was drying before I could sponge my way around the car, so I had to redo half the car, and the smell isn't very pleasant. Probably not be buying it again when it runs out..
 
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Brrr said:
I tried the Koch Chemie RRW and I didn't much care for it... I used it in direct sunlight and the paint was barely warmer than the outside air, it was drying before I could sponge my way around the car, so I had to redo half the car, and the smell isn't very pleasant. Probably not be buying it again when it runs out..
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In The sun with rinseless wash, I’ve always done one panel at a time. Working my way around the car prespraying (if I do), contact wash, then drying that panel before doing the next.
 
Texchappy said:
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In The sun with rinseless wash, I’ve always done one panel at a time. Working my way around the car prespraying (if I do), contact wash, then drying that panel before doing the next.
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Even more so if attempting to use a drying aid. Ends up drying before can get the towel on it. Especially on the glass.
 
This has come up before, I thought this was standard practice with rinseless, to do one section/panel at a time. I usually start with the windshield, so I have the best chance of having no streaks when my drying towel is the dryest.
 
Klasse Act said:
"His-story" more like it, LOL
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I actually thought that was pretty good. It did jog a memory that the first time I saw the BRS was him using it in his shop in one of his early videos. Then shortly after that I saw OPT was selling it, I didn't realize that he had developed it and OPT picked it up.
I always balked at the price of the BRS, plus I was resistant to using a sponge for rinseless, I did try that blue waffle sponge that OPT used to (still?) sell, but I didn't like that. But since so many of you use the DIY-style sponge, maybe I have to revisit that.
 
His Legacy sponge is awesome, waiting on the ADS one to come out

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Setec Astronomy said:
This has come up before, I thought this was standard practice with rinseless, to do one section/panel at a time. I usually start with the windshield, so I have the best chance of having no streaks when my drying towel is the dryest.
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That’s how I do it. If I’m washing indoors, I may do one whole side, but outside, one panel at a time for sure.
The ease of use and the time savings are what made me a Rinseless fan.
 
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