Rinseless Washing Question - How Wet Are Your Towels?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts everyone! It's sincerely appreciated.

The reason I ask is because I wanted to know how much solution is safe to use. I wring out my towels slightly but mine are still dripping as I'm wiping down the car. The drips of solution in the garage just makes a mess. If using less solution like how the manufacturers do in the videos I posted is still considered safe, then why not? It would produce less mess in the garage and you can prolong the use of your rinseless wash solution.

swanicyouth said:
2. I'm not sure why you would start *any* type of wash on the middle of the vehicle.
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I'm sure that's for demonstration purposes only.

swanicyouth said:
3. Since RW and water are cheap - I say use as much as you want. What harm could a drippy wet towel do?? I use the towel as wet as I can get it.
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Like I mentioned above, I also like my towels to be dripping and holding as much solution. But it makes a big mess in the garage.

So as you're flipping over the different sides of the towels, do you add more rinseless solution to the towel? Of course you won't be dunking it back to the solution bucket..

swanicyouth said:
4. Pressure washing (or even hosing off) the vehicle before you touch it will make a wash much safer than worrying about how much solution you use on your towel - regardless of what type of soap you use.
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I agree with this but doesn't this defeat one purpose of rinseless - to save water? If I'm pulling out my pressure washer or a hose, then I'll just do the traditional wash since I already have those out.
 
A saturated panel = a lubricated panel. A lubricated panel is far less likely to get scratched or marred.

I don't wring mine out at all. :dblthumb2:
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
A saturated panel = a lubricated panel. A lubricated panel is far less likely to get scratched or marred.

I don't wring mine out at all. :dblthumb2:
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Thanks for your response Nick! I do the same thing to lessen the chances of any scratching.

But why do these manufacturers (i.e. Meguiar's while in the AG studio) show very little solution in their rinseless washing videos? Does their technique give enough lubricity? Maybe you can talk to Jason Rose in Meguiar's or even Mike Philips.
 
DogRescuer said:
A nice thing about the invention of the rinse less wash is less water used, so your statement to "hose off" is going against the whole idea behind a rw imo.:)
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The way I see it rinseless wash or rinseless soap are just that - a soap that doesn't have to be rinsed off paint. The whole idea that "pressure washing a car prior to touching it if your using rinseless solution defeats the concept" doesn't really make sense to me. To me, the concept is to get the car clean while avoiding swirls.

To be quite frank, I really don't care about how much water I use. There is no water restrictions where I live, so I'm not breaking any laws. I pay for the water I use - so to me it's a commodity like gasoline, oil, etc...

I'm looking at it from the point of what's the safest & easiest way to wash the car. Pressure washing will remove 90% of abrasive particles before you even touch the paint. I'm convinced 100% that rinsing them off is much safer than wiping them off with towels - regardless if your going to follow up with: rinseless, waterless, or conventional wash "soap".

I realize not everyone has access to a pressure washer or the set up to do such. For them, using rinseless solution (without pressure washing) may be their only option. However, I do not think wiping off dirt that can be simply rinsed off is anywhere near as "safe" for paint - especially on a dark car. While manufacturers will have you believe rinseless "technology" contains some sort of magical anti-scratch thing-a-ma-jigs; my experience tells me differently.

The reason I feel using a rinseless wash solution if faster/easier primarily has to do with DI water. Use DI water as a final rinse after a pressure rinse and use it in your rinseless bucket, and you can wash a black car in the blazing hot sun. You won't even really have to dry. Just let the sun dry it as you go along. Then when your done, just wipe down the car with a QD. The car is drying itself as your washing. This is how I do it, and it's the easiest way I have found to wash a black car safely and easily regardless of weather and sun. Car comes out perfect; no water spots no hurrying around, and not spraying tons of water all over the car in an attempt to keep it wet.

Using conventional soap would require constant rinsing and would cause water spots on hot/sunny days, almost regardless of how fast you move. Plus you have two buckets to fill, drag out, clean, and put away. Using a GDWM involves one bucket that stays clean. Another bonus is many rinseless washes add some protection or polymers to the paint, whereas I always feel like convention "soap" is always stripping off some "wax".




Marc08EX said:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts everyone! It's sincerely appreciated.



The reason I ask is because I wanted to know how much solution is safe to use. I wring out my towels slightly but mine are still dripping as I'm wiping down the car. The drips of solution in the garage just makes a mess. If using less solution like how the manufacturers do in the videos I posted is still considered safe, then why not? It would produce less mess in the garage and you can prolong the use of your rinseless wash solution.







I'm sure that's for demonstration purposes only.







Like I mentioned above, I also like my towels to be dripping and holding as much solution. But it makes a big mess in the garage.



So as you're flipping over the different sides of the towels, do you add more rinseless solution to the towel? Of course you won't be dunking it back to the solution bucket..







I agree with this but doesn't this defeat one purpose of rinseless - to save water? If I'm pulling out my pressure washer or a hose, then I'll just do the traditional wash since I already have those out.
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Get a clean 8oz measuring cup and keep it floating in your rinseless bucket. If the towel gets to "dry", simply scoop up like 6oz of water and dump it on the clean side of the towel. Towel is renewed - and you don't have to go back into the bucket. This sounds like common sense, but when you try it you will be amazed at what a difference it makes.
 
swanicyouth said:
Get a clean 8oz measuring cup and keep it floating in your rinseless bucket. If the towel gets to "dry", simply scoop up like 6oz of water and dump it on the clean side of the towel. Towel is renewed - and you don't have to go back into the bucket. This sounds like common sense, but when you try it you will be amazed at what a difference it makes.
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I scoop up some rinseless solution with my hands and dump it on the towel to "renew" it as I'm using other sides. I'm just wondering if you or others did the same.
 
Marc08EX said:
I scoop up some rinseless solution with my hands and dump it on the towel to "renew" it as I'm using other sides. I'm just wondering if you or others did the same.
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Yeah. I use a cup though just because it's more efficient than my hand.
 
I use those big grey/blue towels as well. I prespray with a little UWW or now Blackfire waterless spray. The towels I use with ONR are wrung slightly so they aren't dripping like my regular 2BW mitt, but they are clearly soaked. I use only one bucket for my wash. It has a grit guard, but it isn't used. I fold a towel into quarters and never reuse a quarter or a towel after all 8 quarters are used.

Basically I make a single pass with a quarter then use a clear quarter. It takes about 2 towels to do my hood, 2 to do my roof, 1 for each door, 1 for the front two quarter panels, 1 for each rear quarter panel and 1 for the back/spoiler. So, that's 11 for a wash.

It's probably excessive, but since I clean only my car and my wife's car, the amount used isn't as relevant to me since there's no cost awareness or consideration for multiple car washes in a day.
 
swanicyouth said:
I'm looking at it from the point of what's the safest & easiest way to wash the car. Pressure washing will remove 90% of abrasive particles before you even touch the paint. I'm convinced 100% that rinsing them off is much safer than wiping them off with towels - regardless if your going to follow up with: rinseless, waterless, or conventional wash "soap".
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I think this is very good advice. I also see a rinseless wash as just another mode of washing your car that can be a primary way of washing, especially if you are in an area with water restrictions.

All through the winter I would pressure wash the major junk off the car and do a rinseless wash when I got home in the garage. At a minimum, I feel better having it done that way, and when I have skipped the pressure wash, as careful as I am, I have noticed light swirling.
 
For me I start foaming the car with a foam gun and let it soak for few minutes. pressure wash everything off and do a GD wash with D114.
 
If you are gonna pull out a foam gun and PW, you may as well do the 2bm since you are half way there :)

I got some d115 and d114 on the way and am gonna try my first RW/WW. I love that you can use either in direct sunlight so it doesnt limit me.
 
What's the ratio for pinnacle waterless wash to rise less was?
 
**What's the ratio to turn the pinnacle waterless wash into a rise less wash? ***
 
d33p said:
Speaking of towels, what do you guys recommend?

I was thinking of these towels just for RW but they may get too soaked and become difficult to use. I can just see them being heavy and wanting to come apart.

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This is the exact towel I use for RW. It does hold a lot of solution, but I haven't noticed any marring.

Walter
 
d33p said:
If you are gonna pull out a foam gun and PW, you may as well do the 2bm since you are half way there :)

I got some d115 and d114 on the way and am gonna try my first RW/WW. I love that you can use either in direct sunlight so it doesnt limit me.
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Maybe it's just me...lazy to carry 2B around , dolly price is extreme high here. I even use D114 as waterless wash at 1:20 if the car is not that dirty :p
Btw congrats on your new purchase

Regards
 
Mask said:
I even use D114 as waterless wash at 1:20
if the car is not that dirty :p
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Just a heads-up....

•Per Meguiar's spokespersons:

-D114 really doesn't have to be diluted @ 1:20 for a
Waterless-Wash. (D114 @1:128 is a pretty potent WW)

-D114...@1:20...is getting very close to being
considered a "panel-wipe/Wax-remover".


Bob
 
Mask said:
Maybe it's just me...lazy to carry 2B around , dolly price is extreme high here. I even use D114 as waterless wash at 1:20 if the car is not that dirty :p
Btw congrats on your new purchase

Regards
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That sounds right for D115, but not D114.
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
A saturated panel = a lubricated panel. A lubricated panel is far less likely to get scratched or marred.

I don't wring mine out at all. :dblthumb2:
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I agree!

I pre-rinse with a garden sprayer (ONR mixed) and then use long nap edgeless MF towels dripping wet.

I've tried other wash media (mitts and sponges) and IMO MF towels are the way to go. You have 8 clean sides per towel, no issues with contouring, and they get in areas sponges can't. I even picked up a couple of the Big Red Sponges a few weeks ago and was very unimpressed.

Just My $.02
 
Mask said:
Maybe it's just me...lazy to carry 2B around , dolly price is extreme high here. I even use D114 as waterless wash at 1:20 if the car is not that dirty :p
Btw congrats on your new purchase

Regards
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Thanks man, I was gonna use d115 1:20 as a quick detailer. d114 is too strong at that ratio!

People complain about the d115 price but if I get 5 gallons out of it @ 4:1 then how can I complain for $8-$9/gallon with how versatile it is (RW/WW/QD). Hell I spent $60 on BFMS detailer lol

Also have d156 coming with d114/115...cant wait to try it all out!!
 
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