"Rotary Compounding is Dead" Article

MattyL said:
I swear I don't try to instigate...

What do people think of his claim about rotary being more advantageous for finishing than a DA though?

To me, it seems almost counterintuitive to claim this to be the case given some of the potential issues one faces when polishing w/the rotary. I mean, isn't that part of the DA's marketability and design: light defect correction and finishing comparable to a rotary without the risk of paint damage present w/a rotary?

If this is the case, why would anyone want to assume the risks involved w/a rotary when finishing if a DA is available?
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Your question is answered by Mike in this thread.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...why-would-anyone-use-da-paint-correction.html

Also, there are various types of detailers. Production detailers do not have the luxury of a 10 hr correction when a rotary can be used for cutting...DA for polishing.

One issue I do not see being discussed is the advancement of product using a rotary...but is harped on when referring to DA.
 
I'm glad I stumbled on this thread. Found myself in quite a pickle today. While working on a black ZL-1 with minor swirls but some nice scratches, I started off using the M105 and an orange LC CCS pad on my Flex 3401.

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The swirls and most of the scratches were gone within one pass and all that was left was the typical marring that 105 tends to leave behind.

Put a brand new white pad on the Flex and started with the 205, and it was barely making a difference. Hardly any marring was being corrected even after three passes on various speeds and pressure applications. I was getting worried.

As a last-ditch attempt before re-doing the whole car with 105 and a white pad to decrease marring so 205 could do its job, I tried an LC VC pad and 205 on my Makita 9227C and it worked, but left the typical buffer trails. Hindered by time limitations, I needed a solution that would leave the paint ready for LSP as my next step. I slapped on the white CCS pad I was using on the Flex to the rotary backing plate, and BAM! I suddenly found myself not only removing the marring from the 105, but it was actually jeweling the paint in the process without any trails. A plus side was that it was working in about 2/3rds the time that it would have taken me to accomplish this with the Flex.

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Moral of the story is, without my Flex, I could have potentially been too hard on the clear while removing minor scratches and squirrels. Without my rotary, the job would have been done and done well, but would have taken a lot more time for me to do it.

So the question I pose to all of the "DA or die" folks is, without working knowledge of how to use a rotary buffer, how do you know that you are not missing out on some great time saving and problem solving opportunities as a detailer? Why write off a great machine that you may not use on every car, but can save your butt when its in a sling?

The rotary is not dead. Its just not the cool kid anymore.

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Back to the original post it said rotary compounding is dead. It didn't say take ur rotary and throw it away.

I'm not writing off the rotary but I do like the da better for compounding


Chad@Divine Details
 
I agree with all the post regarding the need/use of a rotary. With most cars I have worked on (da only), I'm sure I could have done the same job, possibly better results in a shorter amount of time.

I don't have the funds, but I would like to buy and master the use of a rotary buffer. I don't think the rotary polishers are dead at all. 10 hours or half the time with very similair or even better results with a rotary and finishing with a da. Plus, the vibrations from a da is a pita.

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detailworldhky said:
yes, people still use them on boats...u can also achieve great results with a DA on a boat...so yes if a boat is severely oxidized than u will be able to cut it faster with a wool pad and follow with a DA as a finishing step...but this site is more for less experienced people so that is why i said what i said...not that what i said wasn't true because u can achieve great results on boats, rv's, trailers and much more!!! if u need some lessons or tips on how to's... i can help u with that! so stop acting like u know everything on a beginner site because ur commenting on someone's post that actually no's what they are doing and does this 7 days a week!!!
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What the heck did flash say to need this post?!?




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I dont know if it was coincidence or not but aftr opening the link for the article in the OP my computer/McAfee detected a trojan. Now my hard drive has failed. Has anyone else opened that link and had issues?
Thankfully my phone is more tech advanced than my computer.lol, but seriously.

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Remember, everyone has an opinion on something but that opinion is there's and may not be yours....

Since everyone's throwing their hat in the ring here's my take.

1. I grew up in a time before dual action polishers were thought of.

2. I learned to use them quite well and with far fewer options and today's pads.

3. Dual action polishers are an amazing tool. They're easy to use, require far less training and practice to obtain outstanding results.

4. A novice or beginner can achieve some thrilling results without investing a ton of money on both machine and pads.

Any tool requires patience and practice in order to use it correctly and efficiently. The rotaries speed and efficiency cannot be matched by it's dual action counterpart but the risk of accidental paint damage is much higher.

Many production shops I know as well as autobody shops all use the rotary polisher as their main machine. Time is money and rotaries make the most of time management.

Occasionally I like to jewel the a finish. For jeweling I use a rotary machine, a blue or red foam pad, and Menzerna Finish Polish PO85RD ..

For the home or amateur the dual action polisher is the obvious choice hands down but that doesn't preclude the use of a rotary. I always encourage anyone I mentor or teach both the advantages and disadvantages of a rotary and ultimately let them make the decision.

If we take a look at sales then the dual action polisher is the obvious winner because the of home user or hobbyist. Many professional detailers use a dual action machine but I suspect you'll find a rotary or two in their arsenal...
 
While working on the fiberglass caps of the "never washed or waxed" 10 year old nursing home wheelchair lift equipped vans I clean up, regardless of today's technology (and I am up to speed on it) without sanding first, you'd spend 5 hours just trying to remove the heavy oxidation and achieve any level of gloss on just a few square feet of it. A DA without sanding first just won't work on some stuff.

In a professional setting where "anything" could come through the door, only a fool would hold true to the DA can achieve anything school of thought. I do this 7 days a week too but it doesn't place me at a higher level than anyone else on this or any other detailing site.

I normally bite my tongue, but some people's posting just brings out the worst in me.
 
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