Rotary vs orbital vs hand applications

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Hey I was just wanting to hear some other views and opinions on advantages, disadvantages, along with when and/or why to use what tool during polishing, sealing and/or waxing..
Example I have several sealers, glazes, and waxes and most say on the directions to apply with applicator pad and buff out with with a MF towel. Like megs carnuba wax, ultimate black wax, & megs cleaner wax. Along with other brands..
So what would be the advantage or whatever to using a orbital or rotary? Or would it b best to do it like directions say by hand?

Also after using megs ultimate compound what would be the best next step. Megs cleaner wax? (Isn't it a light polish as well as wax?) Or straight to carnuba wax?
Or is there a product I can put on before wax to enhance gloss and reflection?

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Alot of the consumer level lines from Meguiar's are not designed to be applied via rotary. However, all the pro lines are. IMO applying a wax or sealant via rotary will make the paint look swirled. The reason behind Meg's pro line products being rotary compatible is for production detail shops to be able to quickly turn over cars at a faster rate. This is when quantity, not quality come into play.

With that said, I recommend applying wax/sealants by DA or by Hand. Personally, I apply most of my paste waxes & sealants via DA. Its faster, without comprimising quality.

To answer your question about Ultimate Compound, you NEED to follow up with its counterpart Ultimate Polish. UC might finish down nice & "look" LSP ready, but if you have a good eye you will see very light marring (which is normal) that needs to be finished down with a finer polish.

Meguiar's Cleaner Wax isnt considered a light polish, its just that, a Cleaner Wax or AIO. You can apply a glaze such as Meguiar's #07 to enhance gloss before a wax, just note the glaze will only last a few days like any other glaze.
 
CM8 6MT said:
Alot of the consumer level lines from Meguiar's are not designed to be applied via rotary. However, all the pro lines are. IMO applying a wax or sealant via rotary will make the paint look swirled. The reason behind Meg's pro line products being rotary compatible is for production detail shops to be able to quickly turn over cars at a faster rate. This is when quantity, not quality come into play.

With that said, I recommend applying wax/sealants by DA or by Hand. Personally, I apply most of my paste waxes & sealants via DA. Its faster, without comprimising quality.

To answer your question about Ultimate Compound, you NEED to follow up with its counterpart Ultimate Polish. UC might finish down nice & "look" LSP ready, but if you have a good eye you will see very light marring (which is normal) that needs to be finished down with a finer polish.

Meguiar's Cleaner Wax isnt considered a light polish, its just that, a Cleaner Wax or AIO. You can apply a glaze such as Meguiar's #07 to enhance gloss before a wax, just note the glaze will only last a few days like any other glaze.
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Great info!

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CM8 6MT said:
A lot of the consumer level lines from Meguiar's are not designed to be applied via rotary. However, all the pro lines are.

IMO applying a wax or sealant via rotary will make the paint look swirled. The reason behind Meg's pro line products being rotary compatible is for production detail shops to be able to quickly turn over cars at a faster rate. This is when quantity, not quality come into play.

With that said, I recommend applying wax/sealants by DA or by Hand. Personally, I apply most of my paste waxes & sealants via DA. Its faster, without compromising quality.

To answer your question about Ultimate Compound, you NEED to follow up with its counterpart Ultimate Polish. UC might finish down nice & "look" LSP ready, but if you have a good eye you will see very light marring (which is normal) that needs to be finished down with a finer polish.

Meguiar's Cleaner Wax isn't considered a light polish, its just that, a Cleaner Wax or AIO. You can apply a glaze such as Meguiar's #07 to enhance gloss before a wax, just note the glaze will only last a few days like any other glaze.
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:iagree: It's awfully hard to argue with fact and commonsense......:props:
 
Robert8194 said:
True, but some people just insist on doing it. Why is that?
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Hey Robert,

It goes back to to what I said in another thread recently.

Some feel the need to find fault and argue every single point as if they're the supreme ruler and what they say is Gospel. Something else that comes into play is maturity or immaturity, depending on what side of the coin you're on.

Maybe it's a matter of a deeper psychological problem or personal insecurity. Continuous arguing may also hide the fact that they lack intelligence and substance.

Some also communicate very poorly.

Some need to argue every point completely missing the spirit of the post.

Those that constantly argue quickly drive wedges between themselves and others and in no time at all they've become an outcast....this is not where we want to be.

Respect someone else's view and if it's wrong he's only hurting himself if he chooses not to listen.

The best thing you can do with someone that's argumentative is don't argue with them, that really irritates them! :props:

Back to detailing...

Detailing, like most things in life is an art not a science and what works for you may not work exactly the same for me. Is your method wrong? Absolutely NOT, it's working isn't it?

We can and typically do chime in our own personal view of method which adds thought or possible options but in most cases neither is wrong. This can easily be done in a civil constructive manor without offending anyone.
 
BobbyG said:
Hey Robert,

It goes back to to what I said in another thread recently.

Some feel the need to find fault and argue every single point as if they're the supreme ruler and what they say is Gospel. Something else that comes into play is maturity or immaturity, depending on what side of the coin you're on.

Maybe it's a matter of a deeper psychological problem or personal insecurity. Continuous arguing may also hide the fact that they lack intelligence and substance.

Some also communicate very poorly.

Some need to argue every point completely missing the spirit of the post.

Those that constantly argue quickly drive wedges between themselves and others and in no time at all they've become an outcast....this is not where we want to be.

Respect someone else's view and if it's wrong he's only hurting himself if he chooses not to listen.

The best thing you can do with someone that's argumentative is don't argue with them, that really irritates them! :props:

Back to detailing...

Detailing, like most things in life is an art not a science and what works for you may not work exactly the same for me. Is your method wrong? Absolutely NOT, it's working isn't it?

We can and typically do chime in our own personal view of method which adds thought or possible options but in most cases neither is wrong. This can easily be done in a civil constructive manor without offending anyone.
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:iagree:
 
BobbyG said:
Hey Robert,

It goes back to to what I said in another thread recently.

Some feel the need to find fault and argue every single point as if they're the supreme ruler and what they say is Gospel. Something else that comes into play is maturity or immaturity, depending on what side of the coin you're on.

Maybe it's a matter of a deeper psychological problem or personal insecurity. Continuous arguing may also hide the fact that they lack intelligence and substance.

Some also communicate very poorly.

Some need to argue every point completely missing the spirit of the post.

Those that constantly argue quickly drive wedges between themselves and others and in no time at all they've become an outcast....this is not where we want to be.

Respect someone else's view and if it's wrong he's only hurting himself if he chooses not to listen.

The best thing you can do with someone that's argumentative is don't argue with them, that really irritates them! :props:

Back to detailing...

Detailing, like most things in life is an art not a science and what works for you may not work exactly the same for me. Is your method wrong? Absolutely NOT, it's working isn't it?

We can and typically do chime in our own personal view of method which adds thought or possible options but in most cases neither is wrong. This can easily be done in a civil constructive manor without offending anyone.
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As is almost always the case, you are directly on point. Most of us here have some experience and the idea of the forum is to help one another. You offer some very good possibilities of why we must endure the trolls. Arguing with them is a waste of time for sure. What is it they say... Convince a fool against his will, he will be of the same opinion still.

I may not agree with someone on the forum but I cannot catalog how much I have learned from others here. I argue for a living but hope I am never viewed as arguing with another forum member. Most of you know more about detailing than I do.

Thanks my friend for all the good experience you share with this forum.
 
Thanks guys for the very helpful info. As I said I was just wondering the difference in those things since the OTC lines mostly say apply by hand.
Great info thank you.
I always learn something when I come here u guys are great.

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CM8 6MT said:
With that said, I recommend applying wax/sealants by DA or by Hand. Personally, I apply most of my paste waxes & sealants via DA. Its faster, without comprimising quality.
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Once you go machine for sealant/wax application, you almost don't want to do it by hand anymore. So much more evenly & uniformed. :props:



Robert8194 said:
True, but some people just insist on doing it. Why is that?
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People are strange. Not just strangers, but family and friends alike; they don't like 'being told' what to do. It's boggles the mind when they approach you later and rant about the mistakes [which you kindly advised out of kindness] as if it's breaking news.

Btw, thank you for your input over at the Brinkmann review. :xyxthumbs:
 
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