Rupes for pads and polish

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Hi guys. I'm so confused. which one do you use with rupes (pad and polish). i'm using menzerna for my rotary machine. Is Menzerna efficient with rupes and rupes pads. thank you
 
gecceanduana said:
Hi guys. I'm so confused. which one do you use with rupes (pad and polish). i'm using menzerna for my rotary machine. Is Menzerna efficient with rupes and rupes pads. thank you
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Menzerna polishes will work well with Rupes pads. Always do a test spot too see which combination of pad and polish works best on your paint.
 
Menzerma polishes will ruin Rupes pads. The solvents that Menzerma uses are not compatible with the glue that Rupes uses and will cause pads to delaminate. I got this info from Rupes. This may apply to other polishes as well. My information is a few years old. Rupes rep said they did not test every polish on the market with their pads and they only recommend Rupes polishes with their pads. I believe Rupes polishes are water based.
 
gecceanduana said:
This is my real problem. i read this for fg400 and rupes green pads. what do you think, is it valid for all? (2500-3800)
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The HC400 is naptha based. From pf2500 and up they are white mineral oil(petroleum) based. Don't know how much of impact they have on the glue on the Rupes pads. But in the long run it can be that the pads don't hold up so great. And there alot of other polishes that is solvent based. Most of the AIO for an example has that based. Maybe the new Sonax pads could be an option to try.
 
The green pad is the one I have the most problems with. They just don’t hold up for me very well. I use FG 400 with Megs Microfiber Cutting Pads and Menz 3500 on Rupes yellow even though I know I am not going to get any longetivity. I just like the combo so much I’m willing to buy more pads. One of the best Rupes pads that is probably the least used is the grey UHS pad paired with the UHS polish, it cuts and polishes in one step.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
Menzerma polishes will ruin Rupes pads. The solvents that Menzerma uses are not compatible with the glue that Rupes uses and will cause pads to delaminate. I got this info from Rupes. This may apply to other polishes as well. My information is a few years old. Rupes rep said they did not test every polish on the market with their pads and they only recommend Rupes polishes with their pads. I believe Rupes polishes are water based.
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I don't over saturate with polish and I change out my pads often and never had a delamination problem.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
The green pad is the one I have the most problems with. They just don’t hold up for me very well. I use FG 400 with Megs Microfiber Cutting Pads and Menz 3500 on Rupes yellow even though I know I am not going to get any longetivity. I just like the combo so much I’m willing to buy more pads. One of the best Rupes pads that is probably the least used is the grey UHS pad paired with the UHS polish, it cuts and polishes in one step.
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I agree that the green pads are not very durable, but I love the cut. The yellow seems to last longer.
 
Yeah many has the longevity problem with the green rupes pad. To get them to hold up the longest the primeing that Rupes recommend to do is very important. The part where you apply the polish on the pad and start the polisher on the paint and hold it there for about IIRC 25-30 seconds. And as I read it somewhere it's most for the green and blue pads it's most important. It's to get them soften up a bit I think. The use of a solvent based polish is more to the glue and not the foam it self. And if take the precaution as rsurfer noted I don't think you are going to have a big problem with the velcro and foam delaminates to soon. Just be aware of it when you have used them alot that it could happen and why it's happens.
 
Has anyone on here had problems with the UHS pads? I love the UHS system. But the pads deteriorate quicker than any I’ve ever seen before.
 
SWETM said:
The HC400 is naptha based. From pf2500 and up they are white mineral oil(petroleum) based. Don't know how much of impact they have on the glue on the Rupes pads. But in the long run it can be that the pads don't hold up so great. And there alot of other polishes that is solvent based. Most of the AIO for an example has that based. Maybe the new Sonax pads could be an option to try.
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This is what has me so interested in the 3D line. ACA 500, 520, and One. They're not supposed to have such heavy solvents in them.

Donald Williams mentioned that some of these products has kerosene in them that helped cut paint by softening it. He also mentioned that these solvents degrade the foam faster than the liquid in 3D One.

With the new ceramic aluminum abrasives they're trying to get away from these solvents, and rely more on the abrasive to do the actual cutting - in conjunction with the pad and machine.

I like Menzerna a lot. I've done a few sections with FG400 on a blue Rupes foam, and SF4000 on yellow quite a few times. I honestly didn't use the FG/Blue enough to see if it damaged the pad...
 
dlc95 said:
This is what has me so interested in the 3D line. ACA 500, 520, and One. They're not supposed to have such heavy solvents in them.

Donald Williams mentioned that some of these products has kerosene in them that helped cut paint by softening it. He also mentioned that these solvents degrade the foam faster than the liquid in 3D One.

With the new ceramic aluminum abrasives they're trying to get away from these solvents, and rely more on the abrasive to do the actual cutting - in conjunction with the pad and machine.

I like Menzerna a lot. I've done a few sections with FG400 on a blue Rupes foam, and SF4000 on yellow quite a few times. I honestly didn't use the FG/Blue enough to see if it damaged the pad...
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From just looking at sds sheet 3D also use both petroleum destillates and white mineral oil. And their One has a mix of them around 50%. The ACA 500 and 502 has a little lower with around 20% mix. Then they are maybe better than kerosene. Menzerna has naptha in it too. Wonders how the new VOC free polishes from Menzerna is?
 
gecceanduana said:
well, what other brand pads do you use
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If I were planning to use Menzerna on Rupes pads, I'd get Rupes coarse microfiber to cut, and the yellow foam to polish. I've used FG400 on their original blue microfiber pads, and followed with SF4000 (3500) on yellow, which was a pretty solid combination. PF2500 on the yellow is a great one step.

That yellow foam is very durable, and very versatile. It's Rupes more rigid foams that are more prone to rapid breakdown.

You could also look into Buff and Shine Uro-Fiber microfiber pads, and Uro-Tech yellow foam polishing pads. The foam on the blue, yellow and white are almost identical to the Rupes foams. Almost indistinguishable.
 
The yellow Rupes is a must to at least try out. Many speaks highly of the yellow wool pad from Rupes too. I have the URO-FIBER mf pads at home but not tried yet. We have a little different offerings here in Sweden. So Lake Country pads and B&S is not available here.

Are you going to use your rotary polisher or getting a DA?
 
SWETM said:
The yellow Rupes is a must to at least try out. Many speaks highly of the yellow wool pad from Rupes too. I have the URO-FIBER mf pads at home but not tried yet. We have a little different offerings here in Sweden. So Lake Country pads and B&S is not available here.

Are you going to use your rotary polisher or getting a DA?
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I have both rotary and DA machine. but I don't want to use rotary. as I have a plan ; deep stratch - meg. mf dmc5, behind rupes green and rupes yellow.
@dlc95 your recommended pads are not sold here, but I will try to buy them. thank you for your advice. I will also try the lake country pads
 
SWETM said:
The yellow Rupes is a must to at least try out. Many speaks highly of the yellow wool pad from Rupes too. I have the URO-FIBER mf pads at home but not tried yet. We have a little different offerings here in Sweden. So Lake Country pads and B&S is not available here.

Are you going to use your rotary polisher or getting a DA?
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I have both rotary and DA machine. but I don't want to use rotary. as I have a plan ; deep stratch - meg. mf dmc5, behind rupes green and rupes yellow.
@dlc95 your recommended pads are not sold here, but I will try to buy them. thank you for your advice. I will also try the lake country pads
 
gecceanduana said:
I have both rotary and DA machine. but I don't want to use rotary. as I have a plan ; deep stratch - meg. mf dmc5, behind rupes green and rupes yellow.
@dlc95 your recommended pads are not sold here, but I will try to buy them. thank you for your advice. I will also try the lake country pads
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For Lake Country, try their orange HDO foam, and HDO microfiber cutting pads. Also excellent quality. The orange foam is very similar to Rupes yellow.
 
Thank you very much for your information. I will also try the lake country pads
 
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