Rupes LK 900E Mille & LH 19E

DaveT435 said:
I've got a PE14 and really like it. What the difference in the LH19E and the PE14? Both these machines have me interested. I just can't imagine enough difference in a rotary to make other manufacturers change their design.
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It is alittle quieter, runs massively cooler and you can feel has more torque.
 
Joel1979 said:
Well my results were different. I did several tests on two different clearcoats. I polished p1500 and P2000 sanding marks. All the pro detailers here in Finland that i have talked, agrees with me. Its fantastic machine but i prefer long throws and rotary. It is definilately better than 3401. Also i dont like the fact that Mille doesnt perfrom well at all with microfiber pads. With the new Rupes woolpad i expected it to excel but it was bit restless and didnt cut like 15-21 did. Like i said, i have nano, duetto with 3" kamikaze, 15mk2, 21mk and Festool Shinex, Mille didnt bring anything for table and didnt live up to its expections.

I sure did love the external upgrades of Mille compared to MK2. Hopefully MK3 will get that speed dial, variable speed trigger and dual rubber rest. Oh and brushless motor ;)
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I too love the long throw above all other technologies as they seem to cut with less effort, been using the Mille,MKII’s and LH19E recently and all get the job done equally however the user experience and journey is different between them and its in that we find preferances. I like having access to different types of tools as it makes it fun without monotony setting in.
 
Joel1979 said:
Well my results were different. I did several tests on two different clearcoats. I polished p1500 and P2000 sanding marks. All the pro detailers here in Finland that i have talked, agrees with me. Its fantastic machine but i prefer long throws and rotary. It is definilately better than 3401. Also i dont like the fact that Mille doesnt perfrom well at all with microfiber pads. With the new Rupes woolpad i expected it to excel but it was bit restless and didnt cut like 15-21 did. Like i said, i have nano, duetto with 3" kamikaze, 15mk2, 21mk and Festool Shinex, Mille didnt bring anything for table and didnt live up to its expections.

I sure did love the external upgrades of Mille compared to MK2. Hopefully MK3 will get that speed dial, variable speed trigger and dual rubber rest. Oh and brushless motor ;)
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I find it strange we both own Mille’s and have opposing views and experiences with it. I can only chalk it down to different techniques. I’ve tried MF pads on my 3401’s and I gave up as they grabby. However used MF pads on the Mille today and it ran smooth with amazing correction ability. I think that might be as a result of the Mille having 5mm orbit with 14 orbits per rotation vs the 3401 with 8mm and only 10 orbits per rotation.
 
Ronin47 said:
I find it strange we both own Mille’s and have opposing views and experiences with it. I can only chalk it down to different techniques. I’ve tried MF pads on my 3401’s and I gave up as they grabby. However used MF pads on the Mille today and it ran smooth with amazing correction ability. I think that might be as a result of the Mille having 5mm orbit with 14 orbits per rotation vs the 3401 with 8mm and only 10 orbits per rotation.
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You are leaving out the paint that you were using the Mille on. That can have a pretty substantial effect on hte amount of "grab" you will have with a microfiber pad.
 
Ronin47 said:
I find it strange we both own Mille’s and have opposing views and experiences with it. I can only chalk it down to different techniques. I’ve tried MF pads on my 3401’s and I gave up as they grabby. However used MF pads on the Mille today and it ran smooth with amazing correction ability. I think that might be as a result of the Mille having 5mm orbit with 14 orbits per rotation vs the 3401 with 8mm and only 10 orbits per rotation.
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I tried it on two different clear coats and it was obvious that Megs mf is not optimal for Mille. Like i have said before, all of the pro detailers in Finland that have tested Mille, find it correcting slower than 15-21Mk2.
 
kkritsilas said:
You are leaving out the paint that you were using the Mille on. That can have a pretty substantial effect on hte amount of "grab" you will have with a microfiber pad.
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Bmw 4 Series, Mercedes A250 and VW Amarok.

Joel1979 said:
I tried it on two different clear coats and it was obvious that Megs mf is not optimal for Mille. Like i have said before, all of the pro detailers in Finland that have tested Mille, find it correcting slower than 15-21Mk2.
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Definitely a notch above 15 MKII in cutting power and a notch below 21 MKII. Nothing massive though.
 
I was referring to the different paint that you and Joel 1979 were using the polishers on. There are different paints on the various cars, and if his paint were softer or harder by significant amounts, it may help explain the different results you are hainb with the Mille. For example, the cars that you were working on are known to have pretty hard paint (BMW and Mercedes, don't know anything about a VW Amarok, as it isn't sold in North America). Joel1979 may have been working on soft paint often found on Japanese cars, or other cars with soft paint. May help explain the grabbiness difference as well.
 
Anyone tested the LH19 yet? Im selling my Flex 14-2 and just got Festool Shinex, but might get Rupes later if its that good. I still thin its a shame they left the gear naked. I bet that it gets hot after you do hours of heavy duty correction.
 
Joel1979 said:
Anyone tested the LH19 yet? Im selling my Flex 14-2 and just got Festool Shinex, but might get Rupes later if its that good. I still thin its a shame they left the gear naked. I bet that it gets hot after you do hours of heavy duty correction.
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Quieter,cooler running and more torque than the PE-14. No issues at all with heat build up.
 
I have put both these polishing machines through their paces the past few months daily, between the two the Mille gets used the most.
 
Ronin47 said:
Good questions and I can only answer as honestly or truthfully with the limited time I have spent with it so my evaluation thus far is based on limited experience with it. I will have the machines up against each other on hard paint in a couple of hours but for now I will comment on correction done on soft to medium paints.

From the first time you hold the Mille in your hands to the first time you power it up and do your first section pass you begin to realise alot of thought, engineering and attention to detail has gone into making this polisher. It feels lighter than the 3401, as well as more balanced. Even the speed dial has an expensive feel and click to the different speed settings. The polisher is noticeably quieter and much cooler running than the 3401. Using the 3401 and Mille side by side you can feel the difference in vibration when going back to the 3401. The Mille doesn’t wobble as such and feels very well thought out, sophisticated and much newer.

Throughout the speed settings you can see it has more rpm at every setting and doesn’t walk nearly as much as the 3401 either. However if the pads not perfectly centred I found the Mille to be a handful to control so much so that I had to switch off and figure out why that happened. I have used many types of non Rupes pads on it as I have alot of them and donot intend investing in all new pads specefic to the Mille anytime soon. Having said that I find the intended Rupes pads or thinner pads to feel more natural which is the opposite of what we are led to believe gear driven polishers prefer.

Yes its sleeker,fancier than the ageing 3401 ofcourse, yes its smoother, quieter, and runs a heck of alot cooler too but bare in mind theres a decade technology difference between them, 2007 3401 vs 2017 Mille, was never gona be a fair fight at all.

Lastly correction..., the Mille is definitely the more powerful tool and faster correcting of the two, theres no second guessing that, it is what it is. I had to drop to speed 3 on the Mille where the Flex needed speed 5 and then too the Mille still had the edge. I used the same pads and compounds to keep things fair and at one point even put the more aggressive pad on the 3401 and then too the Mille was still correcting faster.

I hope this answers your question, also I will update again soon on hard paints and then know for certain.
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I am liking the sound of that...Hummm Mille sounds like a very good tool to have!

Tom
 
TMQ said:
Awesome! Should I sell the 15 mk II and just replace with a Mille? Or is there a place for the 15 mk II?

tom
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Replied on the other thread, in addition can it replace the 21 MKII? Short answer is No.
 
And How do you like the rotary?

Tom
 
TMQ said:
And How do you like the rotary?

Tom
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Initially I liked it a lot. Its got torque, its quiet, its light, smooth, runs cool. But as I used it more I noticed I liked the PE-14 better as it is shorter and has a nicer broader nose to grip. The LH19E on vertical panels especially isn’t as maneuverable as the PE-14. The only issue for me with the PE-14 is a serious one, it runs unacceptably hot so much so that it either shuts down prematurely or gets so hot you can’t even touch it. Its been in twice to Flex and they say it’s within spec. The Rupes doesn’t even get warm but the Flex handles better.
 
Ronin----

Got a question: Are you using Mille pads and polishes?

Tom
 
Ronin-

Any experience with the L3403 and if so, comparison to the LH19?


I've currently got the following in my stable: Boss G15, MT300, GG3 and a Rupes Mini on the way. I'm planning my next move and trying to decide whether I should think about a full size rotary (LH19, L3403, Makita) and a flex-pen style micro polisher, or if I should just go with a long neck iBrid as my next tool to buy.

I think I'd like to learn the rotary, but I'm fairly successful getting the results I need/want out of my current toolset so I wonder if it's worth complicating it.


I've considered a mille but I think that gear driven would have been a better investment prior to purchasing a full size long-throw and a long throw mini.
 
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