Sanity Check before I ruin my MB S550

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Hello all,
So this will be my first shot on my 2010 S550 and I wanted to run my plan of action past some experts before I start. I don't want to make a bad situation. So the car is pretty well off over all. Low to average swirl marks, considering it's a 2010 it's in pretty good shape. My goal is to end up with a nice coating of cquartz on there to make it last even longer. Before I do seal it up with the Cquartz I want to get out the imperfections as best I can.
I have the PorterCable DA polisher, and some good products I think, but here is what I plan :

1: wash with Carpro Reset. Dry with natural chamois
2: decontaminate with ironX and use the polyshave 6inch pad with polishing lubricant in lieu of claying.
3: Wolfgang Swirl Remover 3.0 with Orange Lake pad
4: Wolfgang Finishing Glaze with White Lake pad
5: Carpro Eraser IPA substitute to prep for cQuartz
6: cQuartz application
7: final buff out with microfiber rags

Do I have the order right ? Does the finishing glaze leave behind anything I'd be removing with the IPA/Eraser ? Thoughts ?
 
Pics please. A S63 or S65 is in my near future. :D

Plan looks solid. It's always a good idea to do an IPA or Eraser wipe down before a coating.
 
Most will suggest that the chamois is not the best option for drying

Have you considered Iron-X prior to claying?

Baggie Test to confirm that claying is required

What is "polishing lubricant"?

You should start with a Test Spot to make sure you are using the least aggressive polishing method 1st

There are all sorts of polish/pad combos that work. With the Wolfgang/Lake Country products, these are the most common:

WG Uber w Orange Pad
WG TSR w White Pad
WGFG w Black Pad


Great car. We had one in the Meguiar's Thursday Night Open Garage a few weeks ago. There is a write-up on the Meguiar's Forum. The notoriously hard MB CC was not so hard on the one we had
 
1: wash with Carpro Reset. Dry with natural chamois

Good to go here except since you're going to be polishing/abrading the paint there's no need to use a fancy car wash, any car wash that gets the car clean will work.


2: decontaminate with ironX and use the polyshave 6inch pad with polishing lubricant in lieu of claying.

Good to go here. I have not used PolyShave products but if they are like Nanoskin products then that will get the job done.


3: Wolfgang Swirl Remover 3.0 with Orange Lake pad

Yep... that will work. The key is to run the polisher on the 6.0 speed setting, only work a small section at a time and move the polisher S-L-O-W-L-Y over the paint.

Read these two articles,

Video: Mark your backing plate to make it easy to see pad rotation


Read this BEFORE you need to read this.... if that makes sense....


DA Polisher Trouble Shooting Guide


That is read it before you start to avoid the most common mistakes people make.



4: Wolfgang Finishing Glaze with White Lake pad

That's work.

5: Carpro Eraser IPA substitute to prep for cQuartz

That will work. Might want to do this step twice and use lots of microfiber towels so you don't cross contaminate.



6: cQuartz application

Good here....



7: final buff out with microfiber rags

Make sure the "rags" are clean. See this article.

The Robert DiTerlizzi Method



Do I have the order right ?

Yes.


Does the finishing glaze leave behind anything I'd be removing with the IPA/Eraser ? Thoughts ?

Big YES!

Menzerna polishes use very high quality polishing oils to lubricate and buffer the abrading action so you don't scour the paint. But before using a coating they must be chemically stripped off.


Have fun! Be sure to tape off any plastic trim.


:xyxthumbs:
 
Have you considered Iron-X prior to claying?


Reads to me like he was going to use Iron X and then mechanically decontaminate...


2: decontaminate with ironX and use the polyshave 6inch pad with polishing lubricant in lieu of claying.



IF not....

To the OP... you want to remove iron particles chemically and then remove bonded contaminants mechanically in that order.


:)
 
What is "polishing lubricant"?

Sorry. I got carried away and didn't fact check :) It's called Ultima Cleaning Lubricant Gel. So basically the Polyshave is like a Nanoskin 6 inch disk for the porter cable. It does what a clay bar does and would need a lubricant. The Ultima is what Polyshave recommends.

So you think ironX before the clay/polyshave. Ok thanks.
 
AWESOME. Thanks Mike ! I've watched a ton of your videos and I'm honored you took the time to reply so completely ! Thanks a million. One small clarification question. When you say tape off the plastic trim would that include the painted plastic trim vent inserts in the hood where the washer sprays are, and the chincy chrome plated plastic grille ? Or you just mean any black rubber weather stripping ?
 
I missed the Iron-X step in the initial post...sorry

Yes, if you plan on using Iron-X; it should come after washing and before claying

Looking forward to seeing the "Before & After" pictures. Mike Phillips has a great thread here on how to get good photos of swirls, etceteras
 
I'm not in complete agreement with your process.

First off, use FG400 instead of TSR 3.0. It will finish just as well and deliver more cut.

Second, Menzena/Wolfgang polishes tend to leave a lot of oily residue behind. One or two wipes with Eraser may not adequately remove the oils. Therefore, if you're coating, it's always smart to do the final polishing with that brand's products. Use CarPro Reflect for your final polishing.

Third, CQuartz UK instead of CQuartz. Much harder, glossier and better protection.

Lastly, use the CarPro suede towels for removal. They have a certain bite to them that allows for more complete removal of the residue, which will greatly reduce the chances of streaking.
 
Anyone have any feedback on Dash's polisher of choice? I went to the Flex DA after learning my lesson on "hard" black Audi paint and now only use the PC7424 on tighter areas that require smaller pads. I know that ceramiclear can be a beast.
 
Anyone have any feedback on Dash's polisher of choice? I went to the Flex DA after learning my lesson on "hard" black Audi paint and now only use the PC7424 on tighter areas that require smaller pads. I know that ceramiclear can be a beast.


It will be a long process, but it can work with the right pads and techniques. For the cutting process he's probably better off with using the Meguiars MF cutting discs though.

With that said, it's a bit unclear whether he already has all of the products. If he does, then I take back what I said....
 
It will be a long process, but it can work with the right pads and techniques. For the cutting process he's probably better off with using the Meguiars MF cutting discs though.

With that said, it's a bit unclear whether he already has all of the products. If he does, then I take back what I said....

Ok, I figured the same. Figured I'd alert the OP of the headache I dealt with. OP, I am wishing you success! Can't wait to see the finished results/write-up. I have the same year/model (in white) scheduled in the upcoming weeks for compound, polish, coating. Good luck! :xyxthumbs:
 
With that said, it's a bit unclear whether he already has all of the products. If he does, then I take back what I said....

Sorry, yes I already have all the products from a previous project car but it was in REALLY bad shape and didn't have a ceramic clear coat like the new Benz does. Seeing as how I'm a bit unskilled as of yet with the polisher and the car, I'd rather err on side of 'a lot of work to get the right result' than on the 'too much polishing with too much cut'.
 
With pc, plan for some long days...atleast my experience with pc and merc cls 550..as far as glaze goes...I don't think you need or should use it if you go with coating
After many long hours with pc and menzerna
 
One small clarification question. When you say tape off the plastic trim would that include the painted plastic trim vent inserts in the hood where the washer sprays are, and the chincy chrome plated plastic grille ? Or you just mean any black rubber weather stripping ?

Anything that is black or gray plastic trim, especially the curse of the detailing world, PEBBLE TEXTURED plastic trim.

I'd tape off plastic chrome trim too, it seems to scratch too easily to want to deal with the scratches is caused by accident.

Very detailed article here....

How to tape-off a car before machine polishing

Here's a video that shows tips and techniques....

Video: How to tape-off car trim before machine polishing

I don't mess around when ti comes to taping off ugly plastic as I hate trying to remove dried compound, polish or wax residue after spending anywhere from 8+ hours doing the work.


pcarTapedOff001.jpg


pcarTapedOff002.jpg






I'm not in complete agreement with your process.

First off, use FG400 instead of TSR 3.0. It will finish just as well and deliver more cut.

100% for sure the FG400 will cut faster as it's a true compound while TSR is a Medium Cut Compound.

My recommendation was targeted at helping the OP use what he listed he had.... but by all means everyone should have a true compound in their detailing arsenal.


Second, Menzerna/Wolfgang polishes tend to leave a lot of oily residue behind. One or two wipes with Eraser may not adequately remove the oils. Therefore, if you're coating, it's always smart to do the final polishing with that brand's products. Use CarPro Reflect for your final polishing.

I agree... I'm a proponent and teacher of using a Synergistic Chemical Compatibility approach to choosing chemical lines to buff out cars in most cases.

That said, if the OP doesn't own CarPro Reflect they can opt to purchase it as the AG store sells it or just do a good job of removing the polishing oils off the paint.

Keep in mind that clearcoats are NOT very absorbent, if fact not absorbent at all. So the oils are pretty much sitting on top of the paint and can be wiped off using IPA or some other paint friendly solvent. Prep-All is a good panel wipe under the Kleen Strip brand and the formula was first created by none other than Dr. G himself when he worked for Kleen Strip.

Prep-All is a Panel Wipe

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Anyone have any feedback on Dash's polisher of choice? I went to the Flex DA after learning my lesson on "hard" black Audi paint and now only use the PC7424 on tighter areas that require smaller pads.

Some of the hardest factory paint I've ever worked on has been Audi paint. So I agree 100% with you.

Some of the softest paint I've ever worked on has been Audi paint, incredibly soft. Even documented this with an article...

Audi Soft Paint - Making Generalizations about Hardness and Softness

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I know that Ceramiclear can be a beast.

I always read posts where people say Ceramiclear paints are rock hard.

I 100% disagree. AT least none of the Ceramiclear paints I've buffed out have been rock hard. In fact I would say they are perfect. They are in the sweet spot where they are not too hard that they are difficult to correct and they are not so soft that they scratch easily just by wiping them.




Nice TNOG pictures... always good to see the TNOG's live on.... :dblthumb2:


Mike Stoops has really done a great job taking over the Meguiar's detailing classes. When I first met him I could tell he had the passion for both polishing paint and teaching others how to polish paint plus he's a true car guy.



Sorry, yes I already have all the products from a previous project car but it was in REALLY bad shape and didn't have a ceramic clear coat like the new Benz does.

Don't let anything you read about Ceramiclear paints scare you as it relates to the hardness factor.

Wolfgang TSR and a foam cutting pad and your PC on speed setting 6 with good technique and a slow arm speed is more than enough to do the job and do it safely.

Please test me on this and report back with what you experience when you tackle this project.

I've never had a single problem removing swirls out of an MB Ceramiclear finish using only TSR, foam pads and PCs. Remember, read the DA Troubleshooting Guide before you start to refresh your memory on good technique.


Seeing as how I'm a bit unskilled as of yet with the polisher and the car, I'd rather err on side of 'a lot of work to get the right result' than on the 'too much polishing with too much cut'.

Nothing wrong with slow and steady... it's how the Tortoise won the race against the Rabbit.

Also, you don't want to break through the top layer of fused mica...

Ceramiclear Paints - Be Careful


:xyxthumbs:
 
A couple of "Thank You"s are called for here: 1) to Kyle for linking to the TNOG where we recently worked on a black Ceramiclear MB, and 2) to Mike Phillips for the kind words!!

Mike makes a great point about not all paint being the same with these comments:
Some of the hardest factory paint I've ever worked on has been Audi paint. So I agree 100% with you.

Some of the softest paint I've ever worked on has been Audi paint, incredibly soft.

Far too often we see comments on detailing forums about a paint being crazy hard or insanely soft, and you really do have to take those comments with a grain of salt. That particular car may have had really hard, or really soft, paint but that doesn't mean all of them are like that. You might even read several different accounts of multiple cars falling into a given category - BMW Jet Black is super soft and a total pain to finish out; MB Ceramiclear is rock hard and almost impossible to correct - and even that doesn't mean they are all like that.

Case in point - the Benz in the TNOG link. Ceramiclear, but it corrected super easy and was really haze prone. And I can think of 3 specific Jet Black BMWs that I've worked on recently, one with the very soft and haze prone paint we hear about so often, one that remains the single hardest paint I've ever encountered in my life, and one that was fairly straightforward to correct but everything would stick to it like glue. Three Jet Black BMWs, three very different paints.

So, take what you read with a grain of salt, keep the info in your brain's database....... and do a test spot.
 
Thanks to everyone's awesome advice ! I need to learn how to take better photos but here's how she turned out...
 
Thanks to everyone's awesome advice ! I need to learn how to take better photos but here's how she turned out...

You have learned well young Jedi! Obi Wan would be so proud! Looks fantastic, and I'm jealous!

Need to junk my daily driver! My butt needs to be wrapped in something better, and I'm thinking Vette. God help me with the insurance companies! LOL I know they love such when you walk in the door The eyes get big, and they see mucho $$$$$$ coming their way.
 
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