Save $$ on P21s
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swanicyouth
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Speculation.
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rlmccarty2000
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I don't know if they are the same, but the P21s is a top drawer wax. It is better than others that cost much more. If you can't tell the difference, go with the less expensive one.
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•It would surely be most appreciated if you would post your source for this information. Thanks in advance.
is the exact same product as this $38 vs $16
•So, until then:
-Who to believe?
•This subject matter has been tossed around on the AGO forum since at least 2007, as witnessed by the below posting:
•If you search the Internet long enough, you'll find many a thread where people actually asked "The Manufacturer".
-"The Manufacturer" says they are different.
•I'll ask:
-Why would they spend the same monies producing both the S100 and the P21S...and sell one of them at a cheaper price---a much cheaper price?
Note:
It's not hard to produce products in batches, which IMO:
Is probably what they do.
•Could I tell the difference between the two when they're applied to a vehicle by someone other than me?
-Probably not.
•Is S100 a bargain?
-YES!!!
Bob
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Having been in the manufacturing business for 30 years, I can assure you the company is not running two different lines of wax, one for cars and one for motorcycles, packaged in the same container (separate printing) and same amount 6.2oz.
This would require the company incur the capital cost of a totally separate line for just the motorcycle wax plus the labor to operate and maintain the line, or incur the labor costs of a change over by a complete cleaning/tear down of the auto line each time for a run of motorcycle wax in order to sell the product to a smaller market at less than half the price.
Manufacturing is all about time and materials and companies try to extract as much cost from a product as possible, especially manufacturing labor. Companies have relocated their manufacturing from the USA to China in proof of this point.
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^ As I said, manufacturer lies.
OP knows the truth.
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Just like the S100 wheel cleaner.
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It's been a while since I've seen this topic pop up. Eventually I will make plans to test P21S Concours against S100 and throw P21S 100percent Carnauba in the mix as well. I see an idea floating around that the difference is this concept of white vs. yellow carnauba with yellow(S100) being for more durable applications and white(P21S) being for higher visual clarity. So maybe we will see more durable short-term surface tension properties out of S100 in the water test. Not sure when, but this post will keep me subscribed to the topic and eventually I'll get to testing.
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•Gotta "bleach" carnauba wax (color varies: yellow to
green) in order to get it white.
-However:
"Bleaching" carnauba wax changes its composition.
-Due to my being a sceptic:
Doesn't White/Ivory Carnauba = Marketing ploy?
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•Good Luck on your upcoming testing-project!
Bob
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Not that I really believe all of Zymol's marketing crap but they state on their website under the description of Concours glaze that white carnauba is made from the sap of very young palmetto plants. This is the only time I have ever seen a manufacturer state the difference between white and yellow carnauba.
FUNX650
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So sorry...But:
I really don't believe this is entirely true.
As I posted earlier (Post #11):
Carnauba Wax has to be "bleached" in order to
become "white/ivory" in color.
(Should you believe that this is true?)
Bob
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I can guarantee you, without a doubt - they are not 100% the same formulation.
Similar - yes.
Same - no.
I'm not so sure why it would be incomprehensible for a manufacturer to market multiple formulations of waxes in similar tubs. Pretty much every company does it. Some add dyes so the color is different. S100 does not.
What about 100 % - is that the same?
Dunno. It just bothers me when people print speculation as fact.
Similar - yes.
Same - no.
I'm not so sure why it would be incomprehensible for a manufacturer to market multiple formulations of waxes in similar tubs. Pretty much every company does it. Some add dyes so the color is different. S100 does not.
What about 100 % - is that the same?
Dunno. It just bothers me when people print speculation as fact.
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Then you have to accept the fact that the company is choosing to incur additional labor expenses, as I described, to produce a similar product that sells for less than half price to a smaller market.
That IMO, just does not make good business sense.
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Hey Bob, why do you start a new paragraph in the middle of a sentence? It's makes your posts really hard to read.
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I accept it. Pinnacle makes multiple waxes (Souveran / SSII / Synergy). I own them all. They are not the same. I also have owned S100 / P21S / 100%. Based on my experience and the manufacturer's response they are not the same.
PoorBoys, AutoFinesse, BlackFire, Bouncers, Dodo Juice, etc... all make different waxes in similar containers. Some have dyes that differentiate - some don't.
Yes I believe the waxes are made in multiple batches. S100 is still a very good wax for the money.
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