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Hey everybody. Two questions about this really good pad.

1.scholl states this is a pad for orbital machines. Did anyone try this pad with rotary and can say it works as well? Low temperature and high cut as well?
2.equivalent pads and comparisons: chemical guys hex, wavy pads, cutting microfiber pads, etc. Which one is the best for you?
 
1. Yes

2. LC ThinPro Grey
B&S Low-Pro Green
GG Boss White Fast Correction
 
1. Never used those. In the past I used Megs burgundy, and the w4000 wool for rotary cutting. I don't currently use a rotary.

2. If I'm not using the Rupes blue foam and microfiber pads on their machine, I'm usually using a green buff and shine, or pink lake country for my heavy cutting needs. I also like the Lake Country Cyan Hydrotech. I don't use the hydro as much though.
 
dlc95 said:
1. Never used those. In the past I used Megs burgundy, and the w4000 wool for rotary cutting. I don't currently use a rotary.

2. If I'm not using the Rupes blue foam and microfiber pads on their machine, I'm usually using a green buff and shine, or pink lake country for my heavy cutting needs. I also like the Lake Country Cyan Hydrotech. I don't use the hydro as much though.
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I'm talking about very cutting pads. The spider pad can cut like a wool pad. You only mentioned medium-heavy pads that they are not comparable to the spider pad in terms of cutting power

I would use the s2 with a cutting pad to remove p1500 grit marks (that is 800 grit in USA cami designation) to get the same results of the wool pad but with less risk
 
I use all and answered your questions. The pads I mentioned all cut similar, that is extreme cutting, if you want more cut than that use the CarPro Flash pads, cuts more than MF or Wool its an Ultra pad, use with caution.
 
sansa said:
I'm talking about very cutting pads. The spider pad can cut like a wool pad. You only mentioned medium-heavy pads that they are not comparable to the spider pad in terms of cutting power

I would use the s2 with a cutting pad to remove p1500 grit marks (that is 800 grit in USA cami designation) to get the same results of the wool pad but with less risk
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I'd have to try them, but I get more milage out of "medium-heavy" pads than the typical orange, yellow, or cyan foams.

You asked: "Which one is best for you"., I answered.

I've removed 1000 grit with a green hex + Ultimate Compound on a Porter Cable 7424xp, and I've able to recreate these results. I don't get the same results with harder, stiffer pads. The pads you speak of fit that deacription, and I can't imagine they'd work for my polishing style as well as the large pore, open cell pads I regularly use. Finishing grits are a breeze for that configuration.

You can see my write up, and pics of the 1000 grit removal in my profile gallery.
 
dlc95 said:
I'd have to try them, but I get more milage out of "medium-heavy" pads than the typical orange, yellow, or cyan foams.

You asked: "Which one is best for you"., I answered.

I've removed 1000 grit with a green hex + Ultimate Compound on a Porter Cable 7424xp, and I've able to recreate these results. I don't get the same results with harder, stiffer pads. The pads you speak of fit that deacription, and I can't imagine they'd work for my polishing style as well as the large pore, open cell pads I regularly use. Finishing grits are a breeze for that configuration.

You can see my write up, and pics of the 1000 grit removal in my profile gallery.
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Ok so you'd be able to remove 1000 grit with fg400 using your kind of pads? Everyone suggests to use wool or really cutting pads to cut that kind of grit. If you tell me I can remove it with those pads you mentioned I'm buying those. Because working with wool is really much dangerous!

Basically with my question I'm trying to find a less dangerous pad with the same cutting power... My aim is to remove 800 grit without too much risk.... Wool is for pros. I'm not a pro...
 
sansa said:
Ok so you'd be able to remove 1000 grit with fg400 using your kind of pads? Everyone suggests to use wool or really cutting pads to cut that kind of grit. If you tell me I can remove it with those pads you mentioned I'm buying those. Because working with wool is really much dangerous!

Basically with my question I'm trying to find a less dangerous pad with the same cutting power... My aim is to remove 800 grit without too much risk.... Wool is for pros. I'm not a pro...
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I don't reccommend it, but it works for me. I havent attempted yet with FG400. I stick to the Ultimate Compound for it's sustained smat cutting, and ability to stay wet.

Check out the purple Lake Country Kompressor. They have big, open cell construction. Those cell structures are big, thick, and fiberous. They do a great job chewing off paint.
 
You should try the surbuf pads, they are amazing with FG400 or even the Megs UC.

Search on youtube about them
 
You could consider safer wool pads, like LC electrified wool pads or hybrid wool pads.
 
RPM_BR said:
You could consider safer wool pads, like LC electrified wool pads or hybrid wool pads.
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I thought the safest was the LC foamed wool.. Isn't it?
I need something effective and also as safe as possible.Could you tell me please which are the safest and most effective wool pads between the ones mentioned in this site?
Types of Wool | Lake Country Manufacturing

PS. Does the electrified wool work good with a DA polisher too?
 
Never tried anything from "sholls"

However seen videos on YouTube the way there compounds finish down and I wasn't impressed at all.

It seemed m100 , m101, m105, fg400 , HD cut , boss fast correcting cream. All finish better .

Again I have no real world experience with it, I see a lot of people like them tho
 
sansa said:
I thought the safest was the LC foamed wool.. Isn't it?
I need something effective and also as safe as possible.Could you tell me please which are the safest and most effective wool pads between the ones mentioned in this site?
Types of Wool | Lake Country Manufacturing

PS. Does the electrified wool work good with a DA polisher too?
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Hi. Regarding the link above, I'm not such a wool expert to tell you which one is the safest, nor used all the types of wool mentioned in the page. Maybe another member, such as dlc95 could chime in and enlighten this subject. What I know is that LC hybrid wool and electrified wool are quite safe in DA, because I used it and felt this way.
Usually wool pads are for rotary and microfiber pads for DA. 90% of times I use like this, but there are times that I use hybrid wool on a Flex 3401, for instance. As Mike Phillips pointed out, MF pads are not quite good on rotary, but sometimes I use LC MF rotary pads, with has a thicker foam interface.
The test spot is the king, sometimes you have to do something a bit out of the book to achieve the desired result.
I'm a big fan of MF pad for DA, especially the Meguiar's and CarPro line.
I prefer dealing with MF haze than wool swirl afterwards.
Electrifed wool works really good on DA, but I hardly use it, since my common clients are medium to soft paints where foam are best suited.
There are times that show up a hard, swirled old paint, like a black 2003 Audi, for instance, where you need that bit of extra cut that a foam pad would take a longer time to achieve, so you grab wool or mf pads.
Since foam pads evolved so much lately, with a lot of closed and open foam structures with different densities/hardness available, mf and wool became a niche application for me.
You need to have it, but you don't use it much on a daily basis.
I hope it helped, best regards
 
Not to side track this, but why are you looking for a foam type pad to remove 800 grit sanding marks...?

a) surely there could be some additional sanding after the 800 grit to refine it some more - would this not be safer for the paint, to first reduce the sanding mark depth by additional sanding (which is way cooler than polishing) to say something like 2000 grit, before polishing

b) do wool pads not actually run cooler than foam pads (and are therefore less likely to cause issues?).

Just trying to understand where your requirement comes from?
 
lawrenceSA said:
Not to side track this, but why are you looking for a foam type pad to remove 800 grit sanding marks...?

a) surely there could be some additional sanding after the 800 grit to refine it some more - would this not be safer for the paint, to first reduce the sanding mark depth by additional sanding (which is way cooler than polishing) to say something like 2000 grit, before polishing

b) do wool pads not actually run cooler than foam pads (and are therefore less likely to cause issues?).

Just trying to understand where your requirement comes from?
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My requirement comes from the really bad shops in my town that sell sandpaper only untill P1200 and from the absolutely confusing difference between USA CAMI grit designation and European fepa designation. Schemes in the internet suggest there is a huge difference but I'm beginning to think it is not so big... In any case I need to know I could remove any kind of scratch with the equipment I'm going to buy.
Anyways 1200 in Europe should be like 2000 in USA. That means that I need a really good cut but also a safe pad since I'm not an expert and I just own a rotary polisher. Wool + rotary is for pros and I'm not a Pro. Hence I'm just trying to find a way to compound easily and safely with a rotary (obviously the cutting power is the first thing) but there is the possibility it wouldn't be so safe with any kind of pad. That's why I'm asking infos also about cutting pads for DA but I don't think I'm going to reach the same amount of cut with microfiber or surbuf using a DA.
In case the perfect choice would be the DA I was thinking about the LC foamed wool (the thin one that is made for DA) and the electrified wool pad (that RPM_BR says it works with DA)... What do you think about these ones?
 
While googling I found this interesting chart: Buffing & Polishing Application Guide Chart | Lake Country Manufacturing
I'm blocked at two main points right now:
1. Obviously there is no comparison with surbuf and microfiber pads since lake country doesn't have anything like that. Where would you put microfiber and surbuf in this chart?
2. Ia safeness indirectly proportional to the cutting power? This chart shows the safest pads (from what I understood) as the ones that have the lowest cutting power between the cutting pads... In fact the purple wool and the electrified wool (that you told they are really safe) are the lightest and the 100% natural twisted wool is the heaviest but also the most dangerous one

An other time I'm not a Pro so I can't be sure of this reasonament. What's your opinion?
 
In my opinion using a rotary with foam pads for cutting requires much more skill than using wool for cutting.

As mentioned previously, foam generates much more heat than wool, when used at the same speeds.
 
AGOatemywallet said:
In my opinion using a rotary with foam pads for cutting requires much more skill than using wool for cutting.

As mentioned previously, foam generates much more heat than wool, when used at the same speeds.
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You're right. That's why I'm not mentioning heavy foam pads anymore... I guess they should be considered only for DA

Now I'm only considering these 4 heavy cut pads:
1. wool pads for rotary
2. thin wool pads for DA
3. microfiber for DA
4. surbuf for DA (and for rotary?)

What's your experience?
 
My new go to combo for heavy cutting is TufBuff Black Wool with M100 on FLEX 3401

The LC Hybrid Wool are my 2nd favorite, but the TufBuff are easier to clean on the fly

In my opinion, compressed air is a must, when using these types of pads on a DA. With a pad brush alone, they tend to get matted down and cause marring.

The DA microfiber system is a better choice if you are using a DA & don't have a compressor.
 
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