Scrub or No Scrub with Foam Cannon HP?

Here, This is a nice example of what I was thinking to do
Rinse car with water
rise with foam with foam cannon
scrub with wool mitt ( while there is foam on car )
rinse with water again.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-nrssnw0JM]AG Foam Cannon HP and DoDo Yeti's Fist - YouTube[/video]

Would this be considered as OK ? safe? clean? good ?

( I will be using a pressure washer while Foaming and while the final Rinse )
 
I've never been able to just cannon a car and walk away. Even my wife's which is very clean. I actually want to get an electric pressure washer so I can do each section with the cannon then scrub then rinse. My current pressure washer is gas and I don't want to leave it running for fear of smoking the pump. Bad thing is, I've actually found myself washing without the cannon more often than not.

I use a gas pressure washer and just turn it off while I wait for the foam to do its thing.
 
Does anyone add Ultima waterless wash to their wash bucket of H2O and soap to put extra lubricants in the wash?

I do, but I use ONR or DP Rinseless Wash N Gloss. I add about and ounce to an ounce and a half for extra lubrication.
 
Here, This is a nice example of what I was thinking to do
Rinse car with water
rise with foam with foam cannon
scrub with wool mitt ( while there is foam on car )
rinse with water again.

AG Foam Cannon HP and DoDo Yeti's Fist - YouTube

Would this be considered as OK ? safe? clean? good ?

( I will be using a pressure washer while Foaming and while the final Rinse )

Bump To my question ? Anyone knows ?
 
I would rinse the wash mitt between panels just like when using the two bucket method.

That's simple and nice, And just might work ! :dblthumb2:

This would make what I said safe? ( for my customers car too )
I need this to be an Ideal wash, for every single customer.
 
I use the foam cannon on customers cars. The method I choice is to rinse the car with pw. Then I foam the car and wash with the two bucket method while foam is on the car.

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I think you are looking for speed and efficiency with washes then I think rinsing, foaming, scrubbing, rinsing is a good/safe method. And instead of having a soapy wash bucket, have multiple wash mitts/pads in a rinse-less solution and once you've used both sides of one drop it in a rinse bucket and grad a fresh one from the rinse-less bucket, and continue. The rinse-less solution will help lubricate against the paint and should help the media rinse cleaner so they are safe to reused on the next vehicle. It's a thought and may help in the final rinse of the vehicle. I haven't use this method but think I will the next time I have multiple washes in a day.
All the said at what point are the wheels/wells getting scrubbed? If working out of direct sun light then you could do them while the foam is dwelling. Or you could just wash the wheels before the pre-rinse.
Plenty of options. I think it comes down to which method works best for you and gets you to the other parts of the detail quicker.

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I foam when the car is dry. I find when the car is wet before I foam that the foam tends to run off the car quicker, not dwelling for as long...

I then rinse to remove anything possible.
Not everything will be removed but most stuff will be at least softened, making it easier & safer to remove with my wash mitt.

I then do a 2BM wash so am really only using the foam gun as a pre-soak & rinse.

Sasson, I would foam, let dwell, rinse.
Then foam again (panel by panel depending on circumstances such as heat, etc) & use a wash mitt for your final clean.
Use a clean water rinse bucket just as you would with a 2BM wash.
I have done this when in a hurry.

To me foaming then scrubbing with no rinse in between has little advantage as you have removed nothing from the car.
I believe with a foam, rinse then wash at least something has been removed/softened & the less that is on the car while using a wash mitt the better
 
This is a very common question, perhaps more so here in the UK where so called Snowfoam has been a standard part of the wash cycle for some years.

Do snowfoams facilitate a touchless wash?
Unfortunately the answer is no, 9 times in 10. This is the case whether one is doing a rinse or using a high pressure washer and does not tend to matter whether you are using a mild product or something which is bunged full of alkalinity (this latter has a massively enhanced cleaning power). The only time you can achieve such results are when your paint is well protected and when you have very light soiling.

What then is the point behind snowfoam?
Snowfoam is used to try to enhance the cleaning process compared to other techniques. By using a foam which dwells, one can enhance the wetting of the soiling on the surface, something which is fundamental in cleaning.

Why does it not produce a touchless wash?
Many of the soils a vehicle picks up are hard to 'wet'. This need not even be bonded soiling, even oily films (traffic films as we would refer to them) will fall into this category. Whilst the foam and the surfactants within will work to wet and remove this, it can often need much stronger (and much more alkaline) conditions to break this film down into aqueous solution (i.e. your rinse water).

So how should one use snowfoam?
In my professional view, snowfoam is part of the wash process, not the wash process itself. It should be used to help loosen any contamination which can easily be liberated without mechanical work (i.e. scrubbing). It can be used interchangably with a non-foam prewash (which, IMO, is a massively more economical, effective and less messy approach). One should assume that once foaming is done, there will be a semi-bonded film which will probably require a mechanical wash. As others have said, you can do multiple foams to try to further minimise the presence of abrasive particles before touching the surface with a mitt. I would suggest that one might consider a prewash if doing multiple foam washes since this might negate the need for a second foam/prewash process (thus saving time in the routine).

To my mind, foam is more of a user fad than something essential or ground breaking. However, detailing has to be fun as well so don't rule that out - if foam makes your process more entertaining and helps motivate you to do the rest of it better, then who is anyone else to argue!
 
I think you are looking for speed and efficiency with washes then I think rinsing, foaming, scrubbing, rinsing is a good/safe method. And instead of having a soapy wash bucket, have multiple wash mitts/pads in a rinse-less solution and once you've used both sides of one drop it in a rinse bucket and grad a fresh one from the rinse-less bucket, and continue. The rinse-less solution will help lubricate against the paint and should help the media rinse cleaner so they are safe to reused on the next vehicle. It's a thought and may help in the final rinse of the vehicle. I haven't use this method but think I will the next time I have multiple washes in a day.
All the said at what point are the wheels/wells getting scrubbed? If working out of direct sun light then you could do them while the foam is dwelling. Or you could just wash the wheels before the pre-rinse.
Plenty of options. I think it comes down to which method works best for you and gets you to the other parts of the detail quicker.

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Damn! That's a really good answer!
Like that guy with the waterless wash method with the bucket full of microfibers... ( Lol... )
I think that's the answer I was looking for.
Thank you!
 
I better start marketing it before you steal my thunder.;)LOL
If my truck was dirtier I would go try itnright now. But, I think I'll have some wash jobs this week that will be perfect candidates. Will try to get video of the process as well. Glad to help feel free to call It the Shaun Shines method.;D

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Tried a new way of washing - a zero bucket method. Got a bunch of clean thick microfibers. First, cleaned the wheels conventionally. Then, I foamed the vehicle and rinsed. Them I used the foaming gun as my soap dispenser ( instead if a wash bucket) and foamed each panel and wiped it with a clean towel. No need to rinse towels in a rinse bucket, as I just grabbed a new one for the next panel.

This worked pretty well; as no buckets, rinsing water / time, or grit guards were used. The downside it, you use a lot more soap - as your filling your foam cannon 2x. However, your always using a clean towel surface. The foam provides a thick lubricating barrier between the towel and the paint, much more than bucket soap does.

I plan on using the method from now own when not doing a rinse less wash.
 
Different methods for different cars, dusty or filthy.

A fairly clean car just gets rinsed off, then foamed. I let it sit until it either starts to dry or slips off onto the ground. Then I rinse again. Followed by a two bucket wash with a Wookies fist.

Filthy car. Rinse with plain water, blast with foam. Let it sit for a few minutes and rinse again. Blast with foam again and rinse again. Then same two bucket wash. I find that this lifts the greatest quantity of dirt particles and minimizes any chance of scratching.
 
Different methods for different cars, dusty or filthy.

A fairly clean car just gets rinsed off, then foamed. I let it sit until it either starts to dry or slips off onto the ground. Then I rinse again. Followed by a two bucket wash with a Wookies fist.

This is exactly what I do...I even have the Wookie's Fist lol! My question for you is do you think the Wookie's Fist is the safest wash mitt?
Filthy car. Rinse with plain water, blast with foam. Let it sit for a few minutes and rinse again. Blast with foam again and rinse again. Then same two bucket wash. I find that this lifts the greatest quantity of dirt particles and minimizes any chance of scratching.
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