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I like to put sealant on before waxing but when I use an all in one product is it ok to put on sealant after using aio? Or do I have to use like an ipa before sealant?
 
IMO doing it that way is "working backwards" (wiping off AIO w/ IPA). Just use a fine polish and skip the AIO. As, the whole purpose of the AIO is to do everything in one step. Or, if the AIO leaves behind a sealant, you could skip the sealant.

fine polish -> sealant -> wax

Optimum Finish Polish, or an abrasive paint cleaner would work well instead of an AIO.
 
swanicyouth said:
IMO doing it that way is "working backwards" (wiping off AIO w/ IPA). Just use a fine polish and skip the AIO. As, the whole purpose of the AIO is to do everything in one step. Or, if the AIO leaves behind a sealant, you could skip the sealant.

fine polish -> sealant -> wax

Optimum Finish Polish, or an abrasive paint cleaner would work well instead of an AIO.
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:iagree:with what he said. :xyxthumbs:
 
sparklingwater said:
I like to put sealant on before waxing but when I use an all in one product is it ok to put on sealant after using aio? Or do I have to use like an ipa before sealant?
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It depends on the AIO so my answer is a definite "maybe". Since you didn't mention a specific product I'll stay general and say a spray sealant would probably be where I would lean since the durability of most AIO's wouldn't justify something like a liquid/paste sealant on top. In my inventory, I would typically top an AIO with either 845 or OCW.
 
swanicyouth said:
IMO doing it that way is "working backwards" (wiping off AIO w/ IPA). Just use a fine polish and skip the AIO. As, the whole purpose of the AIO is to do everything in one step. Or, if the AIO leaves behind a sealant, you could skip the sealant.

fine polish -> sealant -> wax

Optimum Finish Polish, or an abrasive paint cleaner would work well instead of an AIO.
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I agree with this as well. The AIO products that I am aware of has very light correcting ability... something along the lines of M205 and while others may be stronger, it's not by much. If you are planning on putting down a layer of sealant anyways, might as well do M205 and a sealant. Either way, you are doing 2 steps regardless.
 
Apply some CG V7 or Megs D156...you can apply these over just about anything, including AIOs. If you apply after each wash, you are golden.
 
I would be mindful of what type of protectant is in the AIO and follow it with the same type of protectant. In other words, if I were to polish the car out with an AIO such as Poorboys Polish with Sealant or Optimum Poli-Seal, I'd follow the use of those with another synthetic polymer sealant.

If I were to instead use Poorboy's Polish with Carnauba as a polish and wanted extra protection, I'd top that with a carnauba paste wax.

I don't think it would matter really except maybe in product durability but if you're working on your own car, you'll likely top it again with something before the durability wanes anyway.
 
It really doesn't matter.

AIO's have been found by me to have minimal protection, at best, and not lasting much longer than a few weeks (in daily drivers, 100% outdoor exposure).

Topping the AIO say the next day will allow for the AIO protection to bond sufficiently (if you're using one with protection.. always use protection - sorry, off topic), and it'll be ready for whatever topper you want. I've used colly 845 over many AIOs w/o issue.
 
I was referring to meg. d151, but any aio in general. I guess my logic was to use an all in one to skip compound, polish sealant wax and go aio then sealant for added durability. just wondering if anyone had experience in using both and whether the sealant's durability is drasticly decreased? like if a sealant protects for 6 months would it still protect for 6 months on top of a aio? I know I could use a light polish then seal then wax but for the sake of crunching time could I just use d151 then a meguiars sealant? I think silverfox and becciasm may have answered my question. i just have a problem with the durability of wax. i don't like waxing more than once a month and i'd rathe rjust use a sealant every 6 months with a wax every now and then.
 
sparklingwater said:
I was referring to meg. d151, but any aio in general. I guess my logic was to use an all in one to skip compound, polish sealant wax and go aio then sealant for added durability. just wondering if anyone had experience in using both and whether the sealant's durability is drasticly decreased? like if a sealant protects for 6 months would it still protect for 6 months on top of a aio? I know I could use a light polish then seal then wax but for the sake of crunching time could I just use d151 then a meguiars sealant? I think silverfox and becciasm may have answered my question. i just have a problem with the durability of wax. i don't like waxing more than once a month and i'd rathe rjust use a sealant every 6 months with a wax every now and then.
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I have to echo the others that have posted as well, if you use an AIO, use a sealant/wax designed to work with that AIO - Klasse AIO and Klasse HGSG comes to mind - they work fantastically together and create a very durable combo. Reportedly Zaino products work in a similar fashion (i have no experience with Zaino products).

There are few AIO and sealant combos that will yield 6 months.. if you want the best durability, like others have said here, a light polish, then wipe down to bare paint, then apply sealant/lsp. That way there is nothing preventing the sealant from 'bonding' or 'curing', if you will, to the paint surface. :xyxthumbs:

Use a spray sealant/wax at every wash to maintain the protection and you'll be set.
 
Stick with "same" brand name products as Dave has suggested. Something like the Klasse twins and Duragloss twins. Both can be topped after curing with something like Colinite 845.
 
AIO's have some protection qualities. They are made to do 3 steps in one. You pay a price for it they don't do anyone thing exceptionally well. I use Menzerna FMJ. It actually lasts pretty long IMO. Another one I like is AG Super resin polish. It last long too. It's a resin based product and is harder then your acrylic polymer AIO. The FMJ is no longer made unless it's the same formulation as Powerlock. With the help of some fellow detailers I found out that AIO can polish better when you use an orange cutting pad. It cut really well for me on a Oddysey I did a few weeks ago. The only thing about FMJ is it's a PITA to buff off. Once that is gone I'm probably gonna go with Black Fire AIO. When I'm working with a client a starting point for paint cleaning and polishing is a AIO. They are fast yield pretty good results. Yes you can put a sealant over a AIO. I prefer to go to a wax after an AIO. With another sealant your banking on too many polymers and resins to cross link and bond with each other. It may or may not fail. I agree if you want a sealant. Let the AIO cure. I usually have to let the FMJ cure over night and go back with QD or DW to wipe down the spots that did not want to come off in the first buff. Another product you can use is CG's black light. It' a "sealant" However it does have polishing agents in it.
 
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